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27 December 2017 23:56 Post ID: #486487 - in reply to #486447
Only Guardiola's 2nd 1-0 win for Man City in 42 wins overall.
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27 December 2017 23:59 Post ID: #486488 - in reply to #486447
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I dont think Rafa got it spot on at all

Any manager that allows De Bruyne all the time he wants on the ball should be questioned

City were far more wastefull tonight than they have been....it could quite easily have been four in that 30 minutes of anti-football

The score line isnt a reflection of tactics in my humble little opinion
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28 December 2017 00:13 Post ID: #486489 - in reply to #486447
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Mc - they're a super team backed by a country. Newcastle on the other hand are comparitively a rabble. No one has ever won so many games on the bounce. They've thrashed most by at least 3 goals a game. They have 58 points; scored 61 and only conceded 12. And we're only at the half-way point of the season. Conceding possession was inevitable with the objective to be in with a chance with 15-20 mins to go. Being drawn into facing any of their players toe to toe, let alone de Bruyne, would have been suicide. Agree to disagree on this one matey.

Edited by Finn_the_Dog 28/12/2017 00:14
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28 December 2017 00:18 Post ID: #486490 - in reply to #486447
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I agree they could have scored a couple more - but they weren't ever going to walk in a cricket score like they normally do. A team is entitled to make 1 great save and get some fortune when a pot shot from outside the box hits a post. That's football. Heavens - Newcastle should win a coconut for the amount of times they've hit the woodwork already this season.
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28 December 2017 00:19 Post ID: #486491 - in reply to #486447
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I just dont see parking the bus as any kind of tactical success mate.......if we hadnt conceded and nicked a late one then aye, hail him from the rooftops

I realise not getting hammered is important in the grand scheme of things but I put that more down to City having an off night than Rafa getting his team selection and tactics right
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28 December 2017 00:27 Post ID: #486492 - in reply to #486447
To be fair Mac, we've been wasteful ourselves on many occasions this season with little fanfare for it but for me to come away from that tonight having witnessed everything that came with it, to then wonder what if with the Gayle header or 'dive' chance is testament to what Rafa is doing with a squad that has had ten years under investment.

A side who have won a record number on the bounce we have just played with a championship squad in all but the league we play in.

A side that has beaten their last 3 teams faced by scoring 4 goals in Bournemouth, Spurs and Swansea not to mention the 3 they scored against Arsenal, the 5 against Liverpool and Crystal Palace, the 6 against Watford or the 7 v Stoke. Every other team they have faced, they have scored at least 2, so on that score, we have won the least goals conceded against Man City Cup.
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28 December 2017 00:28 Post ID: #486493 - in reply to #486447
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We could have picked any team,played any tactics and we still would not of beat Man City.They are a quality team and streets ahead of us.Saturday is our massive game,not this one.

Edited by markylad74 28/12/2017 00:30
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28 December 2017 01:02 Post ID: #486494 - in reply to #486447
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He set his team up perfectly, with the bigger picture in mind, to give them a sniff of a point going into the last ten minutes.

Didn't quite pull it off, end of.

The next few games could be definitive, not this one.

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28 December 2017 01:04 Post ID: #486495 - in reply to #486493
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markylad74 - 28/12/2017 00:28

We could have picked any team,played any tactics and we still would not of beat Man City.They are a quality team and streets ahead of us.Saturday is our massive game,not this one.


What surprised me was how static we were.

The Man City players worked extremely hard to close us down whenever we had possession.

We allowed them to stroll around the pitch and were lucky get away with 0-1

Surely players don't need quality to run.

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28 December 2017 01:10 Post ID: #486496 - in reply to #486495
PieMag - 28/12/2017 01:04

markylad74 - 28/12/2017 00:28

We could have picked any team,played any tactics and we still would not of beat Man City.They are a quality team and streets ahead of us.Saturday is our massive game,not this one.


What surprised me was how static we were.

The Man City players worked extremely hard to close us down whenever we had possession.

We allowed them to stroll around the pitch and were lucky get away with 0-1

Surely players don't need quality to run.



Being static was part of the game plan I felt. Save as much energy as you can until late on but still do a job.

At one point in the second half when Man City had the ball in their half, Shelvey and Joselu backed off to get back into defensive formation without pressing but ugly tactics aside, it almost worked.

There's no way in the world we would have won if we'd had a go. They were too comfortable in possession.
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28 December 2017 08:27 Post ID: #486497 - in reply to #486447
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I was there and I thouroughly enjoyed it. Mourinho played similar tactics at home to them and virtually nothing was said - they parked the bus at Liverpool as well and Man Utd are Shitty's main rivals. Two points - who gives a fuck if somebody in Malaysia was't entertained and Shitty have the worst supporters in the PL. However last night will count for nothing if we don't get four points from our next two games. We rested half a team last night and I expect Clark, Merino, Hayden, Ritchie snd Gayle will all start against Brighton.
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28 December 2017 09:22 Post ID: #486498 - in reply to #486447
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Mac - fully accept the tactical decision employed last night was controversial. During my sabbatical away from the board I have read comments on here from the likes of your good self; PieMag and others and have largely been in agreement about Rafa's negativity. However, I felt last night was more than just his usual dour game. There was a strict cohesion to it in the way they funnelled back so deep; kept shape and battled and that takes discipline and work ethic. We must remember that Newcastle, essentially, have crap players and were up against arguably the best team in the world. The tactic was to "waste" as much of the game as possible to condense it into a 20 minute affair and hope that's going to coincide with your best period of the game. Usually most teams have at least a "good 10 minutes". Play like that against any other team and I'd be furious. But last night was justified in my humble.

With others on this one - including Neppos (marks that one down on his Countryfile calendar).

Edited by Finn_the_Dog 28/12/2017 09:24
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28 December 2017 11:11 Post ID: #486500 - in reply to #486447
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Watched bits and pieces, I fucking loath Neville and Carragher, lets remember neville, the tactical genius, got humped 8-0 early in his Spanish managerial career.....
He aint no Pep, or Rafa for that matter, and cannot comment, as he has no experience to back up his big works, he is a fraud....

Just shows how much he knows, to me, I agree with others, try and get to last 10 minutes and catch them..

It did not work, if we had tried to play them at football, we would have been humped 6-0, players confidence destroyed, with really important games coming up.

This shows Rafa up, looking ahead, keeping the group together, and looking into January with a good spirit, and maybe a few signings, to lift things.
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28 December 2017 11:26 Post ID: #486502 - in reply to #486447
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I think on balance it was a good result. We were never going to win and at least we avoided a dispiriting hammering. What is so disappointing is how far we have fallen behind the money sides, and what that means for premiership football overall. I was reading in the paper this morning pundits lamenting Harry Kanes unreasonably low wages of 110K per week. Man U have 2 players on over a quarter of a million per week. I can't imagine how long it would take us to bridge that gap to paying the wages, never mind the transfer fees.

3 points would have been a miracle
1 point a massive bonus
No big dent to goal difference probably worth a point in the final analysis

I am often a critic of Rafa but I have to say he got it right last night with the resources at his disposal.
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28 December 2017 12:36 Post ID: #486503 - in reply to #486447
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I thought shelvey was shit. I thought the rest actually did ok and worked hard.
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28 December 2017 15:59 Post ID: #486505 - in reply to #486498
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Finn_the_Dog - 28/12/2017 09:22

Mac - fully accept the tactical decision employed last night was controversial. During my sabbatical away from the board I have read comments on here from the likes of your good self; PieMag and others and have largely been in agreement about Rafa's negativity. However, I felt last night was more than just his usual dour game. There was a strict cohesion to it in the way they funnelled back so deep; kept shape and battled and that takes discipline and work ethic. We must remember that Newcastle, essentially, have crap players and were up against arguably the best team in the world. The tactic was to "waste" as much of the game as possible to condense it into a 20 minute affair and hope that's going to coincide with your best period of the game. Usually most teams have at least a "good 10 minutes". Play like that against any other team and I'd be furious. But last night was justified in my humble.

With others on this one - including Neppos (marks that one down on his Countryfile calendar).


A good post Finn.

In my defence,yes I believe rafa is negative and under normal circumstances would make my point and leave it at that.

Rafa's style of football is similar to Mourinho's imo,there is no right or wrong it's just not for me.

My barbed comments towards the manager are really aimed at those who relentlessly attacked Pardew (rightly so) for his association with Ashley but unbelievably now make every excuse possible for the even bigger mess we are in under Benitez ,who in turn spouts crap in the media while banking his wages and riding the urban legend that claims without him at the helm there would be no sale

Back to the game last night,
Mourinho's tactics against Liverpool were just as bad if not worse as Man u had a chance of winning that game. .


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28 December 2017 16:14 Post ID: #486506 - in reply to #486447
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Pardew was/is without a doubt a Cunt of the highest order and a sleazy one at that. I’ve never know Rafa blame the fans for a defeat, never known him dedicate a win to Mike. If that slippery Bastard told me it was raining I’d have to go outside to check.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.balls.ie/amp/football/alan-pardew...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/26402044


Edited by Gillyboat 28/12/2017 16:48
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28 December 2017 16:18 Post ID: #486507 - in reply to #486447
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28 December 2017 17:14 Post ID: #486509 - in reply to #486506
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Gillyboat - 28/12/2017 16:14

Pardew was/is without a doubt a Cunt of the highest order and a sleazy one at that. I’ve never know Rafa blame the fans for a defeat, never known him dedicate a win to Mike. If that slippery Bastard told me it was raining I’d have to go outside to check.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.balls.ie/amp/football/alan-pardew...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/26402044


If agreeing with Neppos wasn't enough ... Errrr .... Spot on!
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28 December 2017 17:18 Post ID: #486510 - in reply to #486447
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I don't think it would have stayed at 0-1 if Lejeune was playing instead of Mbemba. Ever time I see Mbemba he looks decent, surely he should play every week if fit ? Am I missing something?
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28 December 2017 17:20 Post ID: #486511 - in reply to #486447
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Yeah PieMag - generally I am in total agreement regarding negative tactics. Mourinho is the epitome of anti-football. Check how many times Man U will commit sly fouls to break up play and get back into position. Completely typified, as you rightly say, v Liverpool recently.

I can take last night's game in complete isolation and distinguish it tactic-wise from other negative games.

Whilst I agree with you on Benitez' style - I still want to see what he can do with proper players so am more than willing to hold off criticising him. For now.

Edited by Finn_the_Dog 28/12/2017 17:22
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28 December 2017 17:21 Post ID: #486512 - in reply to #486510
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crooktownmags - 28/12/2017 17:18

I don't think it would have stayed at 0-1 if Lejeune was playing instead of Mbemba. Ever time I see Mbemba he looks decent, surely he should play every week if fit ? Am I missing something?


A: NO!!
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28 December 2017 17:57 Post ID: #486514 - in reply to #486510
crooktownmags - 28/12/2017 17:18

I don't think it would have stayed at 0-1 if Lejeune was playing instead of Mbemba. Ever time I see Mbemba he looks decent, surely he should play every week if fit ? Am I missing something?


Mbemba has a tendency to have one bad match out of every three or four and in that bad match he doesn't do the minimum of what Rafa expects so isn't trusted as much as many others.

The Chelsea game the other week was one of his bad games where he lost the ball too many times and didn't try hard enough to retrieve the situation.
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28 December 2017 18:15 Post ID: #486515 - in reply to #486447
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Negative yes, tactifully I thought we were spot on

Man City have hammered teams (just look what they did to spurs) - so set up to stifle and keep the score line as low as possible

i think we were looking at longer term - I might not be right but I think a 1-0 win vs Brighton will put us above them on GD - that might give a boost even if in table position only

As for Gary Neville the blokes an utter prick - his beloved Man Utd have spend 300 million plus to be 15 points behind the leaders at this stage of the season and they want to spend millions more to try and close the gap.

Now if we had spent half the money Man Utd or Man City have spent we wouldn’t be where we are and would be likely matching these teams or at least giving them a bloody good game

We can’t or won’t compete and therefore have to set up for pure damage limitation - if we played open attacking football last night we would have been torn a new one

Edited by Jackals Tooth 28/12/2017 18:17
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28 December 2017 19:24 Post ID: #486516 - in reply to #486506
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Gillyboat - 28/12/2017 16:14

Pardew was/is without a doubt a Cunt of the highest order and a sleazy one at that. I’ve never know Rafa blame the fans for a defeat, never known him dedicate a win to Mike. If that slippery Bastard told me it was raining I’d have to go outside to check.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.balls.ie/amp/football/alan-pardew...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/26402044


Cant argue with any of that Gilly but lets not pretend that the tide hadn't already turned for Pardew based largely on what was happening on the pitch

Setting teams up not to get beat, no plan B, saying we couldnt compete with other clubs, asking fans to stay onside...blah, blah, blah

All too familiar



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Edited by McCreery 28/12/2017 19:29
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28 December 2017 19:38 Post ID: #486518 - in reply to #486447
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In some quarters, the tide never changed for Pardew. Before he was appointed I described him as someone who only a Sunderland fan would be pleased if appointed and when he was appointed, I described him as something of the lines of a short term flash in the pan.

Pardew was given some cash to spend as well as benefiting from Carr at his peak.

Under more recent management, Ashley hasn't competed in any transfer market and on top of that, the wage bill is lower than it was when Pardew was here, at a time when revenues are bigger than they have ever been.
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28 December 2017 20:58 Post ID: #486519 - in reply to #486516
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McCreery - 28/12/2017 19:24

Gillyboat - 28/12/2017 16:14

Pardew was/is without a doubt a Cunt of the highest order and a sleazy one at that. I’ve never know Rafa blame the fans for a defeat, never known him dedicate a win to Mike. If that slippery Bastard told me it was raining I’d have to go outside to check.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.balls.ie/amp/football/alan-pardew...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/26402044


Cant argue with any of that Gilly but lets not pretend that the tide hadn't already turned for Pardew based largely on what was happening on the pitch

Setting teams up not to get beat, no plan B, saying we couldnt compete with other clubs, asking fans to stay onside...blah, blah, blah

All too familiar



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Personally I got behind Pardew as I've done every manager except Kinnear, losing my support was down to him being nothing more than a Spiv, a Cunt and not endearing himself to the fans....oh and he's a shit manager, coach and tactician....and person. If Pardew possessed even a fraction of the class of say Rafa, Houghton or Roeder he would have decent support, he didn't, he was a slippery, sleazy, snake oiled Cunt...fuck him.

Edited by Gillyboat 28/12/2017 21:30
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28 December 2017 21:41 Post ID: #486520 - in reply to #486447
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You missed out liar Gilly but apart from that you sum Pardew up perfectly.
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29 December 2017 10:20 Post ID: #486535 - in reply to #486447
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Apparently our starting 11 cost 53.8m which was 200k less than Kyle Walker!
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29 December 2017 10:43 Post ID: #486536 - in reply to #486447
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We've now played every team in the division this season and the points return from the top 13 is 1/39. Our Championship winning team is not capable of sustaining a future in the Premiership.
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29 December 2017 13:47 Post ID: #486537 - in reply to #486447
Excellent response from Rafa in his press conference just now when asked about the over the top criticism from the usual suspects:

I didn’t hear any criticism from my players.
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29 December 2017 17:41 Post ID: #486555 - in reply to #486514
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Toon_NoMatterWot - 28/12/2017 17:57

crooktownmags - 28/12/2017 17:18

I don't think it would have stayed at 0-1 if Lejeune was playing instead of Mbemba. Ever time I see Mbemba he looks decent, surely he should play every week if fit ? Am I missing something?


Mbemba has a tendency to have one bad match out of every three or four and in that bad match he doesn't do the minimum of what Rafa expects so isn't trusted as much as many others.

The Chelsea game the other week was one of his bad games where he lost the ball too many times and didn't try hard enough to retrieve the situation.


Ok, but how many bad matches does Lejuene have in every 3 or 4? I am not suggesting Mbemba is the new Bobby Moore, just that he is a better option than the Frenchman right now. Lejeune may improve of course. I hope so.
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