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19 December 2017 10:41 Post ID: #486235
Talk today that us and Arsenal want David Luiz from Chelsea. Whilst they've been linked with a £30m permanent move, ours is allegedly a 6 month loan until the Summer.

Under Ashley this is a no go, end of thread but it may add fuel to the fire that a takeover is further on than we realise and it being one of the deals lined up in January.

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19 December 2017 11:16 Post ID: #486236 - in reply to #486235
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Given Arsenal and Chelsea's rivalry,added to Rafa's reluctance to play Mbemba allegedly because he likes to play football,I'd be amazed if there was any truth in this particular rumour.

There's always talk about the "next window" being the most revealing but this one really will paint a thousand words.
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19 December 2017 11:43 Post ID: #486238 - in reply to #486235
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Might as well be linked with Ronaldo, Messi & Bale cos it isn't going to happen.

Ill believe the take over when the shit direct signs get burned on the pitch and the fat cunt is banned from St James' Park for life.

4 players in January minimum and that's proven top quality ones not from KFC bargain bucket. Even then, no guarantees of survival.
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19 December 2017 11:47 Post ID: #486239 - in reply to #486236
PieMag - 19/12/2017 11:16

Given Arsenal and Chelsea's rivalry,added to Rafa's reluctance to play Mbemba allegedly because he likes to play football,I'd be amazed if there was any truth in this particular rumour.

There's always talk about the "next window" being the most revealing but this one really will paint a thousand words.


I don't believe the rumour either but thought he preferred to use Luiz as a holding midfielder. As for Mbemba, Rafa's reluctance to play him is because Mbemba simply refuses to play to instruction, there was a way Mbemba (I struggle to recall the specifics) was asked to play out from the back in the Huddersfield and Wolves games early last season that he didn't/couldn't/wouldn't do, in Rafa's opinion this allowed the opposition to pressurise the back easier and contributed to both defeats .
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19 December 2017 13:45 Post ID: #486240 - in reply to #486235
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Weren’t we told over the summer that the ‘war chest’ would be spread over 2 windows with January being the main one as it would be a case of adding to quality we already have...

Now Benitez doesn’t even know how much he’s got, let alone David Fucking Luiz!
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19 December 2017 15:07 Post ID: #486242 - in reply to #486235
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We are being told we are interested in every man and his dog. Nobody knows.
The sooner any takeover or not is announced the better. At least we will know where we stand.
Cannot believe the bullshit that they are still talking, it's a red herring.
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19 December 2017 15:19 Post ID: #486243 - in reply to #486235
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For what its worth I think we could spend 50M in January and still get relegated, although of course spending that money - or any money - would increase our chances of survival. That's how poor our current squad is. As I said before, I looked at fellow strugglers Palace's team last week and I couldn't see how any of our squad would get in it. Look at the Palace midfield, Townsend - Cabaye - Mcarthur - Loftus Cheek, then Benteke and Zaha up front. Maybe £150M worth of footballers in todays market? We are so far behind the rest I am afraid the gap might be too wide to make up in the short term. I have an awful feeling that the premier league have moved on and pulled up the ladder, going to be hard for any team to get promoted and survive for long unless the owners are prepared to burn cash for a few seasons. Just spending what you generate isn't enough because all the others do that at least.
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19 December 2017 16:35 Post ID: #486244 - in reply to #486235
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Certainly as the TV deals get more lucrative the gap widens between the PL and Championship. It's pretty much get this deal done now because we may never get an opportunity like this again. Soon the top 20 richest clubs by turnover in the the world will be Barcelona, Real Madrid, Bayern Munich, PSG and 16 PL clubs. Who would have thought the likes of Burnley and Watford would be amongst that elite group.

The only problem I can see in the future is the greed of the bigger clubs who will want a bigger and bigger slice of the TV money. It nearly came to a head this season and I can see plenty of friction in the future.
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19 December 2017 16:38 Post ID: #486245 - in reply to #486235
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The key has always been investment.

Ashley has the market trader mentality - deal in cash, buy sell buy sell and if you have cash left over, you're in profit.

Teams that have stayed up in the past have invested, bought enough quality to stay up and through that investment, ensured future earnings streams. That's why clubs like Burnley, Leicester, Stoke, Southampton, Palace etc are ahead of us in squad quality.

If he stays, Ashley has to invest if he wants to stay up, otherwise that will be £200m he loses in the club's valuation and something like £50m per year he loses on potential profit.
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19 December 2017 18:28 Post ID: #486247 - in reply to #486245
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Rexn - 19/12/2017 16:38

If he stays, Ashley has to invest if he wants to stay up, otherwise that will be £200m he loses in the club's valuation and something like £50m per year he loses on potential profit.


That raises the question whether he would he be prepared to lose a tiny fraction of his fortune just to piss us off ?

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19 December 2017 18:32 Post ID: #486248 - in reply to #486239
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keggy_keagal - 19/12/2017 11:47

PieMag - 19/12/2017 11:16

Given Arsenal and Chelsea's rivalry,added to Rafa's reluctance to play Mbemba allegedly because he likes to play football,I'd be amazed if there was any truth in this particular rumour.

There's always talk about the "next window" being the most revealing but this one really will paint a thousand words.


I don't believe the rumour either but thought he preferred to use Luiz as a holding midfielder. As for Mbemba, Rafa's reluctance to play him is because Mbemba simply refuses to play to instruction, there was a way Mbemba (I struggle to recall the specifics) was asked to play out from the back in the Huddersfield and Wolves games early last season that he didn't/couldn't/wouldn't do, in Rafa's opinion this allowed the opposition to pressurise the back easier and contributed to both defeats .


Interesting info keggy.

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19 December 2017 18:56 Post ID: #486255 - in reply to #486235
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Go and get Loic Remy yes he is a mercenary but he could keep us up.
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19 December 2017 19:47 Post ID: #486260 - in reply to #486235
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Aye Remy would do we need 2 decent strikers though maybe go for Ings on loan too he cant be worse than Joselu.
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19 December 2017 19:56 Post ID: #486262 - in reply to #486235
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Joselu is shite i cant understand why we didnt get Remy put him on a scoring bonus and give him a big fat wedge if he keeps us up then wave him goodbye
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20 December 2017 22:43 Post ID: #486300 - in reply to #486235
Craig Hope reckons we're eventually getting Kenedy, albeit on an initial loan deal.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-5200045/Newcastle...
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20 December 2017 22:51 Post ID: #486301 - in reply to #486235
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Speaking of Remy - has anyone seen miss of the season (decade even) by him tonight for Las Palmas??
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21 December 2017 09:46 Post ID: #486304 - in reply to #486235
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Is that Kennedy a winger? No point in buying another winger if we dont have someone to put it in the net
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21 December 2017 11:21 Post ID: #486305 - in reply to #486235
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Under Ashley, the transfer window was appropriately named. In our case, it's one of those blacked out windows, the sort that you can see out but not in.
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21 December 2017 12:36 Post ID: #486306 - in reply to #486235
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Guessing there will be one permanent signing and three loans - with one or two out

Expecting either Ings or the lad from Leicester as forwards; and a winger ( probably Kenedy)

The permanent more than likely to be a keeper

Mbemba and Mtro will be gone

But it’s the Toon so who knows - can’t see us breaking any transfer records that’s for sure
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21 December 2017 20:09 Post ID: #486310 - in reply to #486306
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Jackals Tooth - 21/12/2017 12:36
But it’s the Toon so who knows - can’t see us breaking any transfer records that’s for sure

We have a record that I can see extending if there is no action behind the scenes on a takeover.

Our record signing was eight and a half years ago, the longest period of any club in the Premier League before breaking their record signing fee again.
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22 December 2017 02:15 Post ID: #486315 - in reply to #486235
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12 and a half years, I think?
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22 December 2017 10:18 Post ID: #486318 - in reply to #486235
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Thanks for the correction - of course it was
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22 December 2017 10:58 Post ID: #486320 - in reply to #486235
I still remember getting excited when we beat the long standing John Trewick £250,000 transfer record with a £400k move for Paul Goddard. 5 or 6 years that record lasted.

In regards to the Shearer transfer, inflation sees that worth not far short of £30m in today's money so without the big prize or TV cash influx back then, it goes to show how much Ashley is shafting everyone.
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05 January 2018 22:46 Post ID: #486941 - in reply to #486235
Joe Hart being linked with a loan move tonight as well as the Kennedy deal supposedly moving forward.
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06 January 2018 10:04 Post ID: #486951 - in reply to #486235
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I hope Hart can play up front if that's true. I haven't been impressed with what I have seen of his goalkeeping latterly. When I heard Chelsea has signed a new reserve from Everton I did wonder if that would make the Kennedy thing happen.
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06 January 2018 13:29 Post ID: #486959 - in reply to #486235
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Signed anyone yet? Takeover been officially announced?
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06 January 2018 14:03 Post ID: #486963 - in reply to #486235
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No, no and no surprise.
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07 January 2018 15:57 Post ID: #487003 - in reply to #486235
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Makes you wonder if this takeover is actually on because surely benitez would know how much money he'd have if it were close.
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08 January 2018 12:28 Post ID: #487032 - in reply to #486245
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Rexn - 19/12/2017 16:38

If he stays, Ashley has to invest if he wants to stay up, otherwise that will be £200m he loses in the club's valuation and something like £50m per year he loses on potential profit.


The clubs valuation doesn't matter unless he is serious about selling, which I doubt, or needs to raise capital, which he doesn't.

As for the £50m in potential profit, why would you spend £50m to £100m to secure that, if you believe you can bounce straight back from relegation anyway on the cheap, which he obviously does. As I explained before there is a good business case for a Yo Yo club.

Imagine if we bought 2 good premiership pros at the top of their game now for £15m each and then committed to wages of 3m each per year on 5 year deals. Total additional direct costs outlay of £60m with no guarantee of staying up, and no guaranteed sell on value.

Why would you do that when you might stay in the league anyway and if you get relegated so what? I am pretty sure that's how the fat bastard thinks. Remember he is not a fan, and I don't think he will ever forgive us for singing songs about him. Would you?
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08 January 2018 12:52 Post ID: #487033 - in reply to #486235
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and remember, he can do anything he wants and the place sells out every week anyway, Full of people who "support the team, not the regime" and cheer on the Rafalution. Some of them buy shirts and little flags to wave, a few of them probably even join in the "get out of our club" songs. Meanwhile that fat bastard just carries on counting his money.
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08 January 2018 16:45 Post ID: #487037 - in reply to #487032
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crooktownmags - 8/1/2018 12:28

Rexn - 19/12/2017 16:38

If he stays, Ashley has to invest if he wants to stay up, otherwise that will be £200m he loses in the club's valuation and something like £50m per year he loses on potential profit.


The clubs valuation doesn't matter unless he is serious about selling, which I doubt, or needs to raise capital, which he doesn't.

As for the £50m in potential profit, why would you spend £50m to £100m to secure that, if you believe you can bounce straight back from relegation anyway on the cheap, which he obviously does. As I explained before there is a good business case for a Yo Yo club.

Imagine if we bought 2 good premiership pros at the top of their game now for £15m each and then committed to wages of 3m each per year on 5 year deals. Total additional direct costs outlay of £60m with no guarantee of staying up, and no guaranteed sell on value.

Why would you do that when you might stay in the league anyway and if you get relegated so what? I am pretty sure that's how the fat bastard thinks. Remember he is not a fan, and I don't think he will ever forgive us for singing songs about him. Would you?


Hits nail on head for me, cheaper to get promoted than stay up, plus parachute payments as well. Keeps the fans off his back for a year while we're winning.

Will work for the despot until championship players start costing £20m each.

He will hold out for his valuation, spend fuck all and gamble to stay up - valuation saved!

Go down - so fuck, cheaper to bounce back and get his valuation back. After all what difference does another year make to the cunt if he's going to get his £300m

That is if this takeover is credible or just one elaborate phony to not spend in January.
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08 January 2018 17:44 Post ID: #487038 - in reply to #486235
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Good points all round.

On the accounting end, 2 players at £15m = £3m per year on wages over 5 years works out at £12m per year from an accounting point of view. With the level of paper profit this season, that £12m should be set against the loss of revenue, even with parachute payments, of £60m next season. Effectively, it gives him odds of 5:1 on staying up.

Ashley must surely be bright enough to see that clubs like Burnley, Watford, Leicester etc are light years ahead of us in terms of squad quality. That's what you can do if you invest. If we come back up straight away, they are still £60m better off when we are back. As for the full houses, in cash terms that only narrows the gap on those clubs by £15m.

Let's not also forget that 4 Championship clubs outspent us this summer, that goes up to most of the Championship if you look at net squad investment over two years.

The way he should be looking at it is what can he buy with a player's sale value + £15m and + £3m a year in wages, say Mitrovic sold for £10m and a replacement bought for £25m.

If he doesn't do that, his next big hope is that TV deals collapse meaning other clubs are stuck with high wages and have to sell their players overseas. Otherwise he is turning his asset into dust.
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08 January 2018 19:52 Post ID: #487048 - in reply to #487033
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crooktownmags - 8/1/2018 12:52

and remember, he can do anything he wants and the place sells out every week anyway, Full of people who "support the team, not the regime" and cheer on the Rafalution. Some of them buy shirts and little flags to wave, a few of them probably even join in the "get out of our club" songs. Meanwhile that fat bastard just carries on counting his money.


Excellent post CT.

My view is that Ashley is doing what Ashley does.

What positive expectation could anyone in their right mind,who knows anything about our clubs history in the last decade have of the current owner ?

There is absolutely no point focusing on him.

This transfer window has to be about the takeover,and if that turns out to be a pile of shite,then the manager who it would appear gets paid 4 million quid a year to whinge and do his best impersonation of Manuel's "I know nothing"

I'm still 80-20 confident that Ashley will sell though.

That confidence will diminish drastically if no serious signings are made soon,mainly because common sense dictates that any potential new owner/s with serious intent would not be filled with confidence themselves watching Joselu and Diame stumble around football pitches from the sidelines.

If those two are in the side against Swansea it will demonstrate that Rafa picked a weakened team against Luton.
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08 January 2018 20:00 Post ID: #487049 - in reply to #486235
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If those two are in the side against Swansea it will demonstrate that Rafa picked a weakened team against Luton.

or just rotated his squad as he often does, its not as if he threw a whole host of reseve or development squad members in the first team to play Luton.

does he have a strongest 11 ?
i think he looks at the oposition and picks his team accordingly, ie he knows his players strengths and weaknesses and selects the personnel he thinks can best do a job against that opposition.
but as said previously on here he has a championship squad in the premier league, sometimes his decisions will come off sometimes they wont....sometimes we will just get beat by a superior team.
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08 January 2018 20:37 Post ID: #487055 - in reply to #486235
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You may well be right TP,
his selection could be squad rotation,but the many fans who were praising him for taking the FA cup seriously obviously don't agree .

If Rafa has a championship squad in the premiership how would you describe these nine squads ?

Huddersfield
Brighton
Palace
West Ham
Bournemouth
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West Brom
Swansea
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08 January 2018 20:43 Post ID: #487057 - in reply to #486235
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i think those teams mentioned have players that i would welcome into our team. In reality these are the teams i would class in and around our standards, they say there is leagues within the premier league, the teams you outlined are teams we should be competing against we will take points off some and lose points against some.

out of interest how much did those teams invest in the summer?
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08 January 2018 20:50 Post ID: #487058 - in reply to #486235
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Forgive me for being positive but -

The deal is done already but the new owners don't want to pay January premiums. Even more so if they announce at the beginning of the window there's a £20 odd billion pot lying around.

pay Ashley £250m now then the rest at the end of the season if they stay up. If not, Ashley gets the TV money and PCP rebuild for getting out if the championship. Or the final £100m to pay paid on confirmation of regaining premier league status.
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08 January 2018 21:00 Post ID: #487059 - in reply to #486235
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sounds like good business sense to me uk, if tubbs definately wants to sell 9which i believe he does)
and makes sense not to tell the world if true we have a big pot as prices will be driven up further.

fingers crossed that is the deal
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08 January 2018 21:07 Post ID: #487060 - in reply to #486235
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I think Palace have a few in their squad that have the capability to win a tight matches and I wouldn't mind seeing here.

The rest i'm not that sure.

The idea that investment is the key does not add up for me,no pun intended.

It was not considered a major factor by our fans last season when rafa had a clear advantage over Brighton 5 million v 36 million,who in the end bottled first place.





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08 January 2018 21:13 Post ID: #487061 - in reply to #487058
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ukrocks0007 - 8/1/2018 20:50

Forgive me for being positive but -

The deal is done already but the new owners don't want to pay January premiums. Even more so if they announce at the beginning of the window there's a £20 odd billion pot lying around.

pay Ashley £250m now then the rest at the end of the season if they stay up. If not, Ashley gets the TV money and PCP rebuild for getting out if the championship. Or the final £100m to pay paid on confirmation of regaining premier league status.


If your'e YOU'RE right, that tells us they are not Chelsea or Man City type investors uk.

Not complaining like,just stating.

Edited by PieMag 8/1/2018 21:18
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