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The Spanish Waiter
16 December 2017 21:27 Post ID: #486143 - in reply to #486100
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Embarrassing.I remember my 1st pint.
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16 December 2017 21:33 Post ID: #486144 - in reply to #486129
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markylad74 - 16/12/2017 20:47

So Mac who do you want then?Just say.You want Rafa gone,so who gets his job?


marky I think you are a really good contributor to this board ,and going by past posts,very confident you were an even better supporter of our club in the past.

Here's the but......

Ashley knew what he was doing when he picked Benitez ,and we now know without a shadow of doubt, it was not to win trophies.

Whenever I hear a supporter asking that question "who gets this job", the extent of his victory over all of us is even more apparent.
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16 December 2017 21:37 Post ID: #486145 - in reply to #486100
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Pie, I Just dont think we will get better at the moment.Maybe its because I dread the likes of Pulis getting a look in.Didnt I say in an earlier thread Benitez would have to up his game if a takeover happened.I have questioned and been baffled by some of his team selections and decisions.
As for asking who will get the job.I cant think of anyone except someone like Pulis.
Not for me thanks.

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16 December 2017 21:49 Post ID: #486146 - in reply to #486100
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Fair enough mate I get your point.

All i'm saying is that Ashley has found a way to appease the dissenters.

Benitez is our Pep Guardiola,only thing is he's shite at this particular job,that said Pep would be as well under the current conditions.
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16 December 2017 21:51 Post ID: #486147 - in reply to #486100
Im becoming more sceptic by the week in that there is something up that we're not aware off.

One theory is that Rafa and his people approached the club with an eye on a future purchase and recent results are part of a ploy to get what they want. I would take that if true.

Then and only then when Ashley's name has gone from above the door can we truly start to judge managers here again.
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16 December 2017 21:54 Post ID: #486148 - in reply to #486100
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Defeat after defeat, how long can that go on without action of sorts.?
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16 December 2017 21:56 Post ID: #486149 - in reply to #486148
The Owl - 16/12/2017 21:54

Defeat after defeat, how long can that go on without action of sorts.?


Rafa wont walk and he wont be sacked.
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16 December 2017 22:03 Post ID: #486150 - in reply to #486100
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Benitez should not be above criticism, no manager should be and he gets away with more than previous managers because of who he is. He made some odd decisions last season and has done so again this. Some of his buys are truly atrocious, how much of this is because they are 2nd, 3rd or even 4th choice we don't know. However at the present time any alternatives , well Pulis hmm no thanks. If the takeover happens, as Marky says Rafa has a lot to prove. With no takeover I would suggest Rafa becomes rather irrelevant as we know the way it goes should MA remain.
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16 December 2017 22:19 Post ID: #486151 - in reply to #486100
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Hypocritical set of cunts

EVERYTHING you accuused Pardew of you now excuse Benitez of


Have a little think about the nuts and bolts of that before you stupidly ask who I think should be next
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16 December 2017 22:20 Post ID: #486152 - in reply to #486100
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Fkn hell,the politics of Newcastle Utd.
Fatty has made a good job of divide & rule.
Number one priority for us all is he sells,that's it!
Stood in a queue earlier where folk were wanking over strictly dancin & john fkn lewis adverts,dumbed down.
We need some points soon.

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16 December 2017 22:42 Post ID: #486153 - in reply to #486151
McCreery - 16/12/2017 22:19

Hypocritical set of cunts

EVERYTHING you accuused Pardew of you now excuse Benitez of


Have a little think about the nuts and bolts of that before you stupidly ask who I think should be next


Gan to bed Mac . Have the debate sober .
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16 December 2017 23:19 Post ID: #486154 - in reply to #486140
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markylad74 - 16/12/2017 21:18

Well if and when the fat cunt is gone there will be no excuses for anyone.

Agree markylad.
If he's still here tho it's in the hands of the supporters to let all hell let loose & hoy the kitchen sink at the fucker.
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17 December 2017 00:53 Post ID: #486155 - in reply to #486100
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I’m baffled by this whole 4th, 5th, 6th or 7th choice for his signings.

They’re so shit they wouldn’t be on anyone’s list in the first place.

Scouting has apparently gone into these players irrespective of which place they lie in.

If someone is shit you don’t buy them.

You can’t tell me in this mega database of players there wasn’t anyone on there for the same price, or thereabouts, that is better than Joselu? Give over man.

He was chosen, irrespective of ranking and he’s shit. Just like the vast majority of signings in the Benitez years.

Seems likes a great bloke and I doubt anyone of higher calibre could come in, but let’s face it, his football is shit (always has been), his team selections are ridiculous at times and he seems like a stubborn twat in regards to certain players.

Mitrovic may not be the answer but I’d certainly rather him than the other tripe we have. At least he tries. Then the usual rhetoric of he’s a liability etc is usually thrown in. However, playing with Perez and Joselu ultimately allows the other team to play against 9 men so what difference does it make ‘if’ Mitrovic was to get sent off for trying too hard.
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17 December 2017 01:30 Post ID: #486156 - in reply to #486100
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Aye,fuck the politics.Who was Newcastle's best number 10 after Gazza & Beardsley.
Benitez would be wise to spend whatever he's got addressing that,leftback's can come later.
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17 December 2017 01:30 Post ID: #486157 - in reply to #486103
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markylad74 - 16/12/2017 18:28

West Ham still have plenty of problems.We knew we would be near the bottom with no investment.Just didn't think it would be as bad as this.One thing for sure though if we get 2 or 3 good results we wont be bragging about it.Must be a cockney thing.


Yes indeed ? have lots of problems and Moyes is not the answer, Brady and the Dildo Brothers are the problem here, they won’t spend money just take take take, Moyes is on 10k a week and offered himself on the cheap as Man Utd are still paying him off , he wants to rebuild his reputation. No one is bragging Marky maybe after a few more wins I will. Be interesting Next Sat, I reckon we could pick up three more points.

Merry Xmas.
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17 December 2017 01:33 Post ID: #486158 - in reply to #486105
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Paul Kannell - 16/12/2017 18:48

Fucking hell, won a game have you.


Two actually and a draw in the past seven days, 7 points out of a possible 9 is a good return. Hopefully next Week it will be 10 from 12.

Merry Xmas Paul.
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17 December 2017 02:10 Post ID: #486159 - in reply to #486102
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vin1892 - 16/12/2017 18:21

Because he's trying to keep us up with a championship squad because of one of your fellow fat, loud mouthed, arrogant cockney bastards. There was a thick, loud mouthed cockney cunt in the bar in Northumberland today talking absolute shite just like most cockneys.



Mike Ashley is from Bucks nearly 40 miles from the East End so therefore is not a Cockney, not even a Londoner ffs. The chap in the bar was most likely not one either. By your reckoning Vin as Sunderland is only 15 miles away from Newcastle and Boro is about 40. The folk there must be Geordies.
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17 December 2017 05:10 Post ID: #486160 - in reply to #486138
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Maybe after the compensation from Palace his debt had been paid off in full and was permitted to leave.

Or maybe the owner finally realise he wasn't the man to take the club to the next level .

Some may say he did take us to the next level .. With his pitch side antics.
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17 December 2017 18:30 Post ID: #486171 - in reply to #486100
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No sign of Mc today? I presume he was at the Hawthorns today carrying Alan’s hairdryer while nursing a stinking hangover.
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17 December 2017 18:49 Post ID: #486173 - in reply to #486100
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Ha ha

It was funny though,must have been some bender.....

Come on mac spill the beans.

Edited by PieMag 17/12/2017 18:51
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17 December 2017 19:47 Post ID: #486174 - in reply to #486100
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To be fair to McCreery i don't think he was comparing Pardew to Benitez just stating that IF it had of been Pardew with 1 point in 30 is it? he'd have been crucified on here, and no doubt the fans that go to the games would have been giving him grief, where as Benitez isn't getting any.
Yes i want the takeover to go through and if Benitez is key to that happening long may he stay, but his style of football is shite and he did spend £32.2m on players that are shite.

As OM rightly states if a player isn't good enough the manager shouldn't buy them just to make the numbers up. i still say bringing in good loan players would have been the better option instead of risking millions on players that are shite, and hoping they do ok for you. Remember clubs don't get rid of decent players unless they are out of contract, they get rid of them because they are not good enough.

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17 December 2017 20:02 Post ID: #486175 - in reply to #486173
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PieMag - 17/12/2017 18:49

Ha ha

It was funny though,must have been some bender.....

Come on mac spill the beans.


Haha.....been out with the lads from work and had a canny session then got taxi home and had a couple in me local....was bored for an hour or so and ended up on here

It was funny as fuck in my head at the time anarl
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17 December 2017 20:56 Post ID: #486176 - in reply to #486100
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17 December 2017 22:54 Post ID: #486179 - in reply to #486100
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Funny how McCreery has held some of us to account over the odd one-off action without checking his facts.

Anyone might call him a hypocritical cunt
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18 December 2017 05:26 Post ID: #486197 - in reply to #486100
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Aye you're right....its funny as fuck
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18 December 2017 07:31 Post ID: #486198 - in reply to #486100
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If Parew was in charge fans would be going mad and calling for his head rather than blaming Ashley.
It's Benitez track record that saves him from criticism, understandably to a point.
Benitez in constantly banging on about lack of investment while Pardew defended Ashley but the current state of affairs is the same, a piss poor team dropping points like hot cakes.
How long do you let this go on before it's too late.
One or two decent signings Merino, Murphy, the rest confined to the bin.
If Nenitez needs extra money then sell Shelvey if he can, he is overrated imo.
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18 December 2017 08:31 Post ID: #486199 - in reply to #486198
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The Owl - 18/12/2017 07:31
Benitez in constantly banging on about lack of investment while Pardew defended Ashley but the current state of affairs is the same, a piss poor team dropping points like hot cakes.
How long do you let this go on before it's too late.


I thought Pardew handled Ashley pretty well to be honest.

Benitez's strategy of running to the press and whinging about lack of investment while slagging off his own players might look good to the fans but it's clearly not working,especially when you see how fatty has not backed him.

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18 December 2017 09:16 Post ID: #486202 - in reply to #486100
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I remember when puppy dog Pardew criticised Ashley's understanding of football and Joe Kinnear was parachuted in as DOF to shut him up. Pardew was actually praising Kinnear at some point.

Do people not think it's because of Benitez that Ashley is finally selling? Benitez got rid of Carr and Ashley's preferred way of operating and is holding him to account for the lack of money made available for signings. I thought that's what we all wanted? - a manager who would question Ashley's decisions. OK - his signings haven't been great and neither have results but when you think Benteke cost 28m and Damari Gray cost 20m what do you suppose you get for 5m. Chris Woods moved from the Championship for 15m so it's hardly surprising that Joselu is shite. I think there's a player there in Murphy with a bit more experience and Merino looks like he can make the grade.
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18 December 2017 10:22 Post ID: #486204 - in reply to #486100
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good post vin
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18 December 2017 12:21 Post ID: #486208 - in reply to #486155
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Officemonkey - 17/12/2017 00:53

I’m baffled by this whole 4th, 5th, 6th or 7th choice for his signings.

They’re so shit they wouldn’t be on anyone’s list in the first place.

Scouting has apparently gone into these players irrespective of which place they lie in.

If someone is shit you don’t buy them.

You can’t tell me in this mega database of players there wasn’t anyone on there for the same price, or thereabouts, that is better than Joselu? Give over man.

He was chosen, irrespective of ranking and he’s shit. Just like the vast majority of signings in the Benitez years.

Seems likes a great bloke and I doubt anyone of higher calibre could come in, but let’s face it, his football is shit (always has been), his team selections are ridiculous at times and he seems like a stubborn twat in regards to certain players.

Mitrovic may not be the answer but I’d certainly rather him than the other tripe we have. At least he tries. Then the usual rhetoric of he’s a liability etc is usually thrown in. However, playing with Perez and Joselu ultimately allows the other team to play against 9 men so what difference does it make ‘if’ Mitrovic was to get sent off for trying too hard.


At last a bit of common sense. If you want a top player but nasty old Mike won't give you the money that doesn't mean its good management to go out an buy a complete donkey.

A question to all of the Rafa apologists. What has he actually done since he came here?

My take on it:

Failed to keep us up after he said he would "we won't get relegated Bob"
Got the best squad in the championship promoted
Dismantled the scouting system which to be fair brought a few good players in at bargain prices (Cabaye, Ben Arfa, Remy, Demba Ba to name 4, the accountants would add Sissoko to the list)
Caught the championship trophy when Brighton dropped it
Bought some fucking awful players
Played some near enough unwatchable football
Complained a lot
Spoke very passionately about the area and the football club, whilst choosing to live 150 miles away
Been paid a kings ransom

Can't think of anything else off hand. I hope he gets it right. But he is not showing any evidence of that right now.
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18 December 2017 14:08 Post ID: #486209 - in reply to #486100
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Love it
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18 December 2017 14:09 Post ID: #486210 - in reply to #486100
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Spoke very passionately about the area and the football club, whilst choosing to live 150 miles away
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18 December 2017 14:21 Post ID: #486211 - in reply to #486100
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The nasty Cockneys will be singing this on Sat, I wonder what the response from the away fans will be. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=eHH-fseKtkE
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18 December 2017 14:26 Post ID: #486212 - in reply to #486100
The recent negativity surrounding Rafa has stemmed from somewhere with some latching on and if I had to bet on the source then id say it was from the same PR people that spread every other bit of deceiving info. Bishop and co.

Aside from the Pardew apologists, there is not one single voice of opposition at games, nowt. If anything the support for Rafa is louder than it's ever been.

We're in a political battle between a bloke that has won pretty much everything there is to win aside from the league we're in and another that just wants us to exist in the same competitions.

A battle between one man that lives and breaths the game 24 hours a day and another that will be lucky to give it 24 seconds of thought in a year aside from what money can be made.

This battle is important to the future of our club and getting it back on the standing where choosing managers really does matter instead of them being the focal point of saying words that carry no substance.

Whether Rafa came here with a premeditated plan to get us bought out is unknown at present but whatever his ambitions were, he's been shafted time after time. Umpteen times he could have walked and maybe that's been my only negative in that he should have done.

Every transfer window sees his targets leaked before different scenarios pan out or different players brought in or none at all. He wanted Townsend last Winter to strengthen the creative part of our side and after false promises, we didn't even try.

In the Summer Rafa didn't even take a holiday and went to see Tammy Abraham on his wedding anniversary. The talks with him and other players like Willy Cabellero were positive enough in that Rafa thought he had them only to find out that the players involved had agreed to move elsewhere or things were being deliberately sabotaged at our end to 'miss' out.

Other players were sold to create more wages for new ones but no-one else came, even the Lejeune deal that was sorted took a month or so to rubber stamp due to spoiling tactics. Knowing all this and just taking what was offered in relation to signings just reeks of someone else being in charge of transfers and in Rafa's eyes better than getting no-one.

The obvious frustration is there as he can't keep secret that what he has isn't good enough but something is keeping him here and it must be the ultimate goal of a new owner. Then and only then can Rafa be properly judged as there's far too much going against him under Ashley.
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18 December 2017 14:27 Post ID: #486213 - in reply to #486210
PieMag - 18/12/2017 14:09

Spoke very passionately about the area and the football club, whilst choosing to live 150 miles away :59:


He doesn't though.

He was living in the Gateshead Hilton although he travels back to his family every so often.
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18 December 2017 15:11 Post ID: #486214 - in reply to #486100
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You mean he stays in a hotel whilst he is working away then ? Auf wiedersehn pet.

Joking aside I do agree, lets hope we get a chance to see what he can do when properly backed. Until then the jury is out for me. Under this regime he is doing a bit better than Carver and not quite as good as Hughton as far as I can see.
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18 December 2017 15:50 Post ID: #486215 - in reply to #486100
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No matter how close benitez is to staveley he won't have long to get it right before they get rid of him, that's if fatty doesn't fuck up the takeover the fat fuck.
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18 December 2017 16:27 Post ID: #486216 - in reply to #486212
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Toon_NoMatterWot - 18/12/2017 14:26
The obvious frustration is there as he can't keep secret that what he has isn't good enough but something is keeping him here and it must be the ultimate goal of a new owner. Then and only then can Rafa be properly judged as there's far too much going against him under Ashley.


Howay man toony,

Rafa was a pawn in Ashley's game,he was bought in for exactly what we are witnessing now.

The trance like effect,as well as the blind devotion he has over our support is there for all to see.

There is no guarantee new owners will even want him as manager.

The big clubs have him sussed (I'm sure you will find a huge list of excuses for the reasons why they got rid )

He's already been judged at their level,
if serious investors take over it won't take them long to get shot.



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18 December 2017 16:41 Post ID: #486217 - in reply to #486100
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Hes not daft Rafa.Gets supporters on side which strengthens his hand.Done it here and at Liverpool and Valencia.Everywhere else like Chelsea and Real Madrid he didnt have it and lasted 5 minutes in both jobs.If takeover happens and results dont change,how long does he get.
Like Pie says.Serious investors will soon get shot.If you put a lot of money in one thing you dont get is time.They will more than likely want to be entertained by the team on the pitch as well.
Still want rid of the fat cunt 1st though.
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18 December 2017 16:56 Post ID: #486218 - in reply to #486208
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crooktownmags - 18/12/2017 12:21

Officemonkey - 17/12/2017 00:53



My take on it:

Failed to keep us up after he said he would "we won't get relegated Bob"
Got the best squad in the championship promoted
Dismantled the scouting system which to be fair brought a few good players in at bargain prices (Cabaye, Ben Arfa, Remy, Demba Ba to name 4, the accountants would add Sissoko to the list)
Caught the championship trophy when Brighton dropped it
Bought some fucking awful players
Played some near enough unwatchable football
Complained a lot
Spoke very passionately about the area and the football club, whilst choosing to live 150 miles away
Been paid a kings ransom

Can't think of anything else off hand. I hope he gets it right. But he is not showing any evidence of that right now.


My take on it:

He got rid of a scout who brought us Leon Best, Sol Campbell, Stephen Ireland, Shefki Kuqi, Kadar, Marveaux, Abeid, Obertan, Santon, Anita, Gouffran, Haidara, Amilfitano, Perez, Colback, De Jong, Cabella, Riviere, Ferreyra, Mbiwa, Toney, Thauvin, Saivet and Doumbia.

Got us promoted at the first attempt which was the target. Brighton had a squad that were used to Championship football and had finished in the play offs in three of the four previous seasons. Just ask Villa, Norwich, Sunlan, Hull and Boro how easy it is to adapt from the PL to the Championship,

Benitez averaged 1.3 points per game which would have kept us up if he had been appointed
the same time as Allardyce. That's despite having games away against the then current Champions Leicester as well as Liverpool away and Man City and Spurs at home. We also stopped the rot against the mackems who were pissing all over us under the previous managers.

I can certainly agree his football isn't the best to watch but there wasn't many complaints when we ere pinching games by the odd goal rather than losing by the odd goal as we have done in the last three games.

I can't really judge his signings this year as he just hasn't had the opportunity to sign who he wanted. Like all mangers he'll make mistakes but I just can't see anybody out there any better. The takeover will only happen on the proviso that Benitez is still manager and we wouldn't have this opportunity of ridding ourselves of the fat parasite if Pardew, Carver or Mclaren were still in charge.

Lets not this opportunity pass us by because getting a new owner is the most important thing. If Benitez fails under the new owner he'll get the boot just like any other manager would. But until then we should all be pulling in the same direction.
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