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How bad is the current team
13 December 2017 21:48 Post ID: #485914
Look we all know the players aren't that great but let's be honest are they really THAT bad? I'm not convinced. We do need a keeper but at the back? How many players are premier league players? Easy way to distinguish is of they weren't playing for us would they be playing for someone else...
Lascelles - yes imo
Lejeune - no
Mbemba - yes
Clark - yes
Yedlin - yes
Manquillo- jury's out
Ritchie - yes
Atsu - probably
Shelvey - yes
Merino - yes
Joselu - no
Diame - no
Perez - no
Aarons - maybe
Mitrovic - can't remember
Gayle - yes

The list is obviously open to opinion and maybe I'm being generous but team selection and tactics mean absolutely everything when you have such a small and weak squad. Benitez is too stubborn to mix up his diame-gayle partnership and the even worse Joselu - Perez one. Tried and tested, proven failure and he refuses to try anything else let alone play mitrovic at all. Play your strongest 11 and you might get results. Or just be stubborn and watch your team go down.

Edited by Rza 13/12/2017 21:51
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13 December 2017 22:06 Post ID: #485916 - in reply to #485914
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Clark and Yedlin are nowhere near premier league players and aside from Ritchie, Lascelles, Merino and Mbemba I don’t think any of them are. One of the worst top flight sides in our history this one, truly awful.
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13 December 2017 22:15 Post ID: #485919 - in reply to #485914
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Even with a takeover and possible investment we are gone.Lets be honest we are not 2 or 3 players away from staying up.I would put it at 6 or 7.So on that score it has to be the worst team we have had in the Premier League.Going down without a fight.
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13 December 2017 22:17 Post ID: #485920 - in reply to #485914
I think there are worse defenders in the league than Clark. Probably not many and we have at least 1 of them in Lejeune. I think yedlin has potential he's never going to be a great defender but good going forward. He's definitely more of a threat than Ritchie this season
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13 December 2017 22:18 Post ID: #485921 - in reply to #485919
markylad74 - 13/12/2017 22:15

Even with a takeover and possible investment we are gone.Lets be honest we are not 2 or 3 players away from staying up.I would put it at 6 or 7.So on that score it has to be the worst team we have had in the Premier League.Going down without a fight.


Regardless how many players we need, we won't get them. How often have you seen a January window save relegation certs from going down? I don't recall too many
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13 December 2017 22:20 Post ID: #485922 - in reply to #485914
I honestly think we've more chance of staying up if Benitez admits he's wrong and plays hid strongest 11. That'll probably have more of an impact than new signings but it's less likely to happen.
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13 December 2017 22:26 Post ID: #485923 - in reply to #485914
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Dont know what Mbemba has done not to get in.He must be having a sleep or something in training as no way is Lejuene better than him.But this is Benitez.Full of loyalty for his signings,wont admit they are not performing and keeps giving them chances.
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13 December 2017 22:30 Post ID: #485924 - in reply to #485914
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We are one win away from 11th place.

The team are shite but the premier league is worse.

We are good enough to stay up.
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13 December 2017 22:35 Post ID: #485925 - in reply to #485914
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Wheres that win coming from though Pie.Arsenal West Ham away then Man City at home.Cant see us winning again this year.But agree its a shit league.But we are shite as well.
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13 December 2017 22:40 Post ID: #485926 - in reply to #485914
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They're down as far as I'm concerned, no leadership, no creativity, no confidence, no belief, no goalscorer, no fucking heart - could go on but I can't be fucked, bit like the squad!

This is the final FUCK YOU from Ashley, gets what he wants but a big fat fuck off to the rest.

Woeful beyond believe, how can these fucking idiots can pick up their obscene wages is beyond me, especially that useless lazy cunt Diame.
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13 December 2017 22:41 Post ID: #485927 - in reply to #485914
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Things can change very quickly marky,a very short time ago rafa was being asked about European football next season.

Take tonight as an example,those two strikes go in instead of smacking the posts and we are 11th-12th place.

The manager needs to make a few decisions,the easiest one being Diame.
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13 December 2017 22:43 Post ID: #485928 - in reply to #485914
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We’re actually one win away from 12th as our goal difference gets steadily worse. The first sniff of a win won’t come til 4 games time by which time we’ll be in the bottom three and a lot more than one win away from 12th. The league is shit and we can stay up, but not without 3 or 4 replacements in January, good ones, without that, we’re down, be a fitting way for Ashley to sign off, the cunt.
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13 December 2017 22:49 Post ID: #485929 - in reply to #485914
Let's not forget if Benitez didn't fall out with krul we'd probably still have a half decent keeper so as much as we always like to blame Ashley, rafa is not immune to criticism.
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13 December 2017 22:55 Post ID: #485930 - in reply to #485914
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The second Benitez said, ‘Let’s hope the owner is true to his word.’ regarding transfers in the summer, you knew Ashley would do everything in his power to ruin Benitez, his plan is right on schedule. Only a takeover will save us or him.
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13 December 2017 23:01 Post ID: #485931 - in reply to #485914
As shit as it's been recently with 1 point out of something like the last 27 and added to the massive lack of confidence plus ability of some, we are still not in the bottom 3.

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14 December 2017 05:46 Post ID: #485933 - in reply to #485914
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I remember a few on here including myself saying they'd go in the Conference if it meant getting rid of Ashley. We are going to be in the bottom three of the PL with a fighting chance of staying up which will do for me. Lets hope Staveley's in it for the long haul and wants to build the club up from the bottom. It's going to be one hell of a job.
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14 December 2017 06:27 Post ID: #485934 - in reply to #485914
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There is without a doubt a huge loss in confidence. Ritchie who used to cover every blade of grass looks half the player he was last season and early this season. The defence as collective from being pretty solid look anything but these days.

The more the poor performances occur at home the more pressure the crowd put on the players and the opposition teams love it.

They know, keep us at bay for 30 mins and it turns. instead of optimism they can sense frustration and players then treat the ball like a hot potato.

Lots of players needed to avoid the drop. Hope Rafa can persuade some loans to come (players looking to salvage their world cup places) at least they will have something to prove/play for .
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14 December 2017 07:40 Post ID: #485935 - in reply to #485914
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Is all this an elaborate plot by PCP and Benitez to force Ashleys hand into accepting the £300m bid and getting it done quickly? Its been said before but is it actually happening?

Everyone knows Ashleys greed knows no boundaries and if he thinks he won't get anywhere near what he wants if the club are relegated then it might force him to accepting the latest bid.

Only reason I can think of as to why he plays the way he does. I know they are his 4th/5th choice targets but if Rafa can't motivate them then what can?

Either that or the squad is just really shit!
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14 December 2017 07:59 Post ID: #485937 - in reply to #485914
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I just think they’re championship players in the main and are starting to get found out at this level, no side in the league has invested less than us and it shows. Also you know what footballers are like, if they think they’re out the door soon (if we’re sold then most of them will be looking for new clubs) then they won’t care and that is clear to see.
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14 December 2017 08:08 Post ID: #485938 - in reply to #485937
We probably have the weakest squad in the league but I'm not convinced we have the weakest team. I do believe when you have such a weak squad you must play your strongest 11, including your goal scorers. That's what makes the difference in getting a point rather than a loss. I genuinely don't think Benitez is giving us the best chance with his team selection. Fighting for survival and he's only recently stopped playing Joselu and now he's brought diame back. He pays far too much attention to detail and we are leaving out the basics.
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14 December 2017 08:16 Post ID: #485939 - in reply to #485914
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Only Mbemba would make a difference in my opinion, Benitez just does not have the squad to make a difference. As I said above the uncertainty of the takeover is unsettling that current first eleven, those that are good enough would be showing that they’re good enough to be here with a new dawn, in other words, not many of them are and they look like they know their future is in the balance. We need the uncertainty sorting very very soon before the season gets away from us.
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14 December 2017 09:18 Post ID: #485940 - in reply to #485914
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6 weeks is a long time in Football, look back where we were then, talking about Europe.

Everybody must have accepted that in the first 2 months the squad played at 120% of ability, its now showing that it is nowhere near good enough, allied to some strange decisions by management.

We don't have enough Pl quality players, and are making mistakes, based on nervousness, I don't see an easy fix for this.
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14 December 2017 10:12 Post ID: #485942 - in reply to #485914
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To put it simply they are dogshit. Unless benitez can bring in people like shaw/ings/Torres and a decent keeper they are down.

I'd take relegation if it means fatty fucks off.
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14 December 2017 10:15 Post ID: #485943 - in reply to #485942
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The squad is shit but then the squad has always been shit under Ashley

I think if everyone was honest they would admit that Benitez isn't getting as much as he should out of them though

Decisions like sticking with Joselu for weeks and weeks of utter crap and then dropping him when he scores - what the fuck is all that about?

Edited by McCreery 14/12/2017 10:17
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14 December 2017 10:28 Post ID: #485944 - in reply to #485943
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McCreery - 14/12/2017 10:15

The squad is shit but then the squad has always been shit under Ashley

I think if everyone was honest they would admit that Benitez isn't getting as much as he should out of them though

Decisions like sticking with Joselu for weeks and weeks of utter crap and then dropping him when he scores - what the fuck is all that about?


It’s never been this shit Mc, the squad that went down under Shearer was much better, they were just shithouse senior pros, the squad that came up under Hughton was way better. Benitez is definitely not faultless, but this squad is the worst by some distance for me.

Edited by Paul Kannell 14/12/2017 10:31
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14 December 2017 11:16 Post ID: #485945 - in reply to #485914
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im worried what shit Benitez will buy in January because his buys so far have been dogshit bar a few. bring in loan players like Shaw if possible and Ings from Liverpool or Torres they need a bloody striker asap oh and a keeper.
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14 December 2017 11:17 Post ID: #485946 - in reply to #485914
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Agreed PK. This squad is way, way worse than the two previous relegation squads. They are not lacking in effort like the previous squads, just ability and experience. The lack of investment over the years has definitely caught up with the fat cunt now and it's going to take a good few seasons to even get the squad back to the level we had under Pardew. Oh for A Colo, Enrique, Cabaye, Tiote, Ba, Cisse, Ben Arfa, Jonas or even a Simpson or Harper.

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14 December 2017 12:32 Post ID: #485948 - in reply to #485914
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I agree, right now is the worst squad we have had in the premier league era. Far worse than either of the sides that went down. Full of players bought by Benitez btw, co-incidence? Bad luck?

What I don't agree with is that we have never had a good squad under Ashley. The squad that Pardew managed to "guide" to 5th was arguably the best premier league squad this club has ever had. Bobby Robson would have won the league with that first team. Tiote and Cabaye in centre midfield, front 3 of Ben Arfa, Cisse and Demba Ba, Colo at Centre half with Simpson and Santon at full back. Krul in goal. Some decent squad players too who would get in the current team easily. Google it and look through the list.

Good team on its day with 3 or 4 world class players when they could be arsed to turn it on.
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14 December 2017 12:49 Post ID: #485950 - in reply to #485914
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Listened to the latest podcast from the chronicle regards the takeover.An interesting point brought up was the money spent on Atsu Murphy and Lejuene.They questioned wether Benitez would have signed these players so early in the transfer window if he knew Ashley was going to shaft him the way he did.Would he have used 25 million on a striker.Without defending Benitez he still signed them and either way they arent good enough for 1st 11 or squad players.
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14 December 2017 12:58 Post ID: #485951 - in reply to #485914
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Rafa is responsible on three fronts for the the state of the squad imo.

He's bought in shite,plain and simple.

He's went on record and called them shite.

And contrary to what some wanted to believe or had claimed as fact,he has not walked if not backed, essentially allowing Ashley to get away with a 10 million net spend in the same year sky will GIVE him at least eight times that amount of money for nowt.

Alan Pardew had a net spend of almost 12 million in season 11/12 when we finished 5th.


http://www.transferleague.co.uk/newcastle-united/english-football-t...

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14 December 2017 13:33 Post ID: #485953 - in reply to #485914
Team selection,tactics, confidence and set plays are killing us. I remember Benitez doing this shit at Liverpool too with that bullshit zonal marking. He got away with it there because they had much better players but it's hard to watch especially when you're losing every week.
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14 December 2017 13:34 Post ID: #485954 - in reply to #485951
PieMag - 14/12/2017 12:58

Rafa is responsible on three fronts for the the state of the squad imo.

He's bought in shite,plain and simple.

He's went on record and called them shite.

And contrary to what some wanted to believe or had claimed as fact,he has not walked if not backed, essentially allowing Ashley to get away with a 10 million net spend in the same year sky will GIVE him at least eight times that amount of money for nowt.

Alan Pardew had a net spend of almost 12 million in season 11/12 when we finished 5th.


http://www.transferleague.co.uk/newcastle-united/english-football-t...



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14 December 2017 14:22 Post ID: #485957 - in reply to #485914
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The net spend in 11-12 was 12m but lets nor forget Colo, Jonas, Tiote and Ben Arfa cost 26.5m in the seasons before that. In todays transfer market that 38m probably equates to about 80m at least.

FFS : Kyle Walker was 50m, that cunt that went to Bournemouth was 22m, Dmarie Gray was 20m.

Edited by vin1892 14/12/2017 14:27
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14 December 2017 15:09 Post ID: #485960 - in reply to #485957
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vin1892 - 14/12/2017 14:22

The net spend in 11-12 was 12m but lets nor forget Colo, Jonas, Tiote and Ben Arfa cost 26.5m in the seasons before that. In todays transfer market that 38m probably equates to about 80m at least.



At the risk of sounding stupid you've lost me there vin.

What are you saying ?

On a side note there are two different arguments pertaining to rafa.

One is about him as a manager and that debate still rages among the Liverpool support ,so we have no chance

The Other more important one IMO is this,
has Ashley used Benitez to gain time and grab millions more of the clubs money,and are the fans who stopped going or boycotted merchandise but accepted rafa as their saviour, just as much to blame as the 50,000 who did absolutely FA while fatty dry humped NUFC ?

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14 December 2017 15:24 Post ID: #485961 - in reply to #485914
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Play our strikers? We have not got any. The squad is poor, defence a shambles, nobody creative in midfield and no consistant goal scorers. Fixture list befor New Year looks hard, players lack confidence, even Ritchie who looked good last year looks shattered.
Takeover, if it goes through, could be too late.
Never mind one win away from 12th and if the ball had not hit the post but gone in. It didn't and we are in free fall,
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14 December 2017 15:52 Post ID: #485962 - in reply to #485914
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If I was buying the club I would be tempted to wait until we are relegated (probably mid march the way things are going), buy it for fuck all and build for the future from there.
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14 December 2017 16:13 Post ID: #485963 - in reply to #485914
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Piemag - I was simply stating that to get anywhere near the team that finished 5th we'd have to spend at least 80m in todays market and probably considerably more than that. Rafa's about even on transfers ins and outs since he's come in and is feeding on scraps. Yes he made some poor buys at Liverpool but they still won trophies and he finished with a pretty low NET spend at Liverpool when you factor in the Torres sale.
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14 December 2017 17:33 Post ID: #485966 - in reply to #485963
vin1892 - 14/12/2017 16:13

Piemag - I was simply stating that to get anywhere near the team that finished 5th we'd have to spend at least 80m in todays market and probably considerably more than that.


That squad was pretty much built on a budget. Ba was free, cabaye was what 4 million? Cisse was one of the most expensive at 10 million. Tiote was 4 million. Ben arfa? Colloccini 8 million. Yes there was an awful lot luck involved as a few were gambles but it can be done. The important thing is to hold onto the players which we didn't.
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14 December 2017 17:57 Post ID: #485967 - in reply to #485960
PieMag - 14/12/2017 15:09

vin1892 - 14/12/2017 14:22

The net spend in 11-12 was 12m but lets nor forget Colo, Jonas, Tiote and Ben Arfa cost 26.5m in the seasons before that. In todays transfer market that 38m probably equates to about 80m at least.



At the risk of sounding stupid you've lost me there vin.

What are you saying ?

On a side note there are two different arguments pertaining to rafa.

One is about him as a manager and that debate still rages among the Liverpool support ,so we have no chance

The Other more important one IMO is this,
has Ashley used Benitez to gain time and grab millions more of the clubs money,and are the fans who stopped going or boycotted merchandise but accepted rafa as their saviour, just as much to blame as the 50,000 who did absolutely FA while fatty dry humped NUFC ?



I don't think there's any debate to be had regards Ashley and Rafa. I said a long time ago Benitez has allowed himself to be complicit in the Mike Ashley deception. He's gave Ashley a completely free pass the summer that followed the relegation, that should've been a moment of real trauma for Ashley but Benitez united and rallied the support. The squad was reset, the wage bill lowered, a huge profit made on the sales of the likes of Sissoko, no money was spent in January and most importantly we came back to the money league within one season. That's a perfect appointment in Ashley's eyes.

There is one to be had on Benitez's abilities as a manager. With what he's done in the game he's our most decorated manager since Bobby Robson. At the moment if we're basing his abilities purely on what we're seeing on the pitch he's a busted flush.
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14 December 2017 18:17 Post ID: #485969 - in reply to #485962
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crooktownmags - 14/12/2017 15:52

If I was buying the club I would be tempted to wait until we are relegated (probably mid march the way things are going), buy it for fuck all and build for the future from there.


He wouldn't sell it mate he'd take a punt on coming straight back up like he did last season. The difference being that PCP wouldn't wait that long.
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