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Benitez
10 December 2017 15:16 Post ID: #485760 - in reply to #485711
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Some player that Salah and at 35 million a steal in my opinion. Great manager that Clough was when asked the secret to his success simply said, ‘Good players.’
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10 December 2017 20:07 Post ID: #485761 - in reply to #485756
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Paul Kannell - 10/12/2017 14:19

Also how good are those players not starting? Mitrovic, Aarons and Shelvey changed the game against a very poor West Brom side, but over time have often proved inconsistent and a liability. For me only Mbemba would start regularly in the teams we're competing with in the bottom half of the league.


Spot on again.

The Mbemba conundrum is driving me fucking mad,he's clearly one of our best defenders/players but hardly gets a game.
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10 December 2017 21:05 Post ID: #485762 - in reply to #485711
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Just watched both derbies today and Man City are streets ahead of anything we've seen in the PL. They'll surely get 100 points and break record after record this season. I've never seen Man Utd set up at home defensively before and I bet Ferguson was sitting at home fucking fuming. Just my luck that I'm ganning to Man City at home, I'm taking me balaclava and putting it on back to front.
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10 December 2017 21:24 Post ID: #485763 - in reply to #485711
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I thought they were a bit sloppy in the final third today Vin, no idea why Aguero’s not starting, reckon it would be a different result if Pogba was playing. Agree they’re streets ahead of everyone else when on their game mind, plus I like Guardiola, especially compared to that self obsessed Mourinho prick. Benitez could well be back at Liverpool before long, why oh why did Klopp take Salah off, he was toying with them, Everton played 10 yards further forward the minute he came off. They’ll beat us easily on Wednesday.
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10 December 2017 21:49 Post ID: #485764 - in reply to #485759
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Mcnamee67 - 10/12/2017 15:09

Exactly, it's all about wages with Ashley. Anything above national minimum is scrutinised. Pardew wanted to sign Salah (yes, him of Chelsea now at Liverpool) but Ashley wouldn't pay the wages. It's easy to blame the manager, they're expendable. it's the owners who are harder to shift.


But people (in the main) wont do anything about the owner because they think they’ll get a blue peter badge when they die for either a: being born in an earlier era than you and can play the martyr or b: claim to have been a super fan through thick and thin.

They’re thick cunts.

Edited by Officemonkey 10/12/2017 21:53
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11 December 2017 05:57 Post ID: #485766 - in reply to #485711
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The owner may well be selling up OM and therefore eliviating the problem of removing him.

Organises street party for his departure a la 1977 and the Queens silver jubilee party (street parties everywhere)
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11 December 2017 10:08 Post ID: #485767 - in reply to #485766
The side's not good enough it's plain to see. Make no mistake I hold Rafa as culpable as I did McClaren or Pardew. People who can say we need a better man manager or a manager who can do x y or z but won't then name who they think could do it I find a little odd.
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11 December 2017 12:42 Post ID: #485768 - in reply to #485711
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You get the feeling the 2 year honeymoon period for Rafa is approaching, with the same outcome, if he does not change his thought patterns.

Don't think we will get a better manager, he just needs to be a bit more gung ho.

Mind you, how long since we had a decent left and right back????
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11 December 2017 12:43 Post ID: #485769 - in reply to #485766
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The Pyrry - 11/12/2017 05:57

The owner may well be selling up OM and therefore eliviating the problem of removing him.

Organises street party for his departure a la 1977 and the Queens silver jubilee party (street parties everywhere)


I've still got me silver jubilee coin from that very day is it worth owt
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11 December 2017 13:18 Post ID: #485771 - in reply to #485768
daftladguy - 11/12/2017 12:42

You get the feeling the 2 year honeymoon period for Rafa is approaching, with the same outcome, if he does not change his thought patterns.

Don't think we will get a better manager, he just needs to be a bit more gung ho.

Mind you, how long since we had a decent left and right back????


To be fair I think Rafa has tried to be a bit more expansive recently and it's bitten him on the arse. Overall I just dont think he trusts the cards he has been dealt.

When we were having the same issues over the likes of Pardew, McClaren and co, there were many saying that Ashley was the problem and it didn't matter who the football manager was but them calls seem to have dried up recently. Strange that considering Rafa has done more than anyone to galvanise the support whilst trying to get square pegs into massive round holes.
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11 December 2017 13:46 Post ID: #485772 - in reply to #485711
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Fair comments TNMW, don't watch it on TV, just read what is said in papers now...
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11 December 2017 14:36 Post ID: #485775 - in reply to #485711
The sooner any takeover happens then the sooner we can judge managers etc properly.
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11 December 2017 15:17 Post ID: #485776 - in reply to #485711
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We can judge rafa based on other teams who squads are no stronger and in a few cases worse than ours.

His tactics are fucking woeful and his defensive mentality baffling.

Keggy you think it's a little odd that no one names a manager that could do a better job but surely they don't need too.

The premier table answers your question fully,a fair few below par squads managed in a better way than ours to date.


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11 December 2017 15:54 Post ID: #485777 - in reply to #485776
PieMag - 11/12/2017 15:17

We can judge rafa based on other teams who squads are no stronger and in a few cases worse than ours.

His tactics are fucking woeful and his defensive mentality baffling.

Keggy you think it's a little odd that no one names a manager that could do a better job but surely they don't need too.

The premier table answers your question fully,a fair few below par squads managed in a better way than ours to date.




Rafa is a defence favoured manager and we knew how he played the game before he came.

With what players we have now available I reckon Pardew, Hippo Heed and I dare say McClaren could get better results out of them in the short term but then again, these types have no ambition to have the best players available to them or a willingness to improve year on year.

Maybe that's Rafa's problem at the minute, changing the mentality of what we should expect when we all know fine well that it's impossible under Ashley.

I still say he cant be properly judged until he has an owner that matches his game plan because at present it's a flawed picture.
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11 December 2017 18:05 Post ID: #485778 - in reply to #485711
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For me Benitez has made some strange decisions in selection and tactics however players we want to see don't deliver. Mitrovic is a loose cannon and when he does start he doesn't really produce but he's better than Joselu.

Shelvey is overrated in my opinion, stood out in the championship but wasn't THAT consistent. He's not as good as HE thinks he is. The last few games he's started he goes missing when things don't go his way, he would take the ball home if he could.

The defence is shite, Lascelles is ok but nowt special and I've no idea why Mbemba doesn't play.

The difference between Rafa and the likes of Pardspew, McFool and that dope Carver is he pretty much says the squad is shite and not fit for purpose. Whereas those 3 chimps would be saying they were happy with the squad.

Thing is who would come in to replace him? Pulis? Warnock? With Pardspew and co there was always a list of names who we would be liked to take over. There isn't now, or at least nobody decent would want to work for that fat prick.

Still after all of that - January investment is needed or they're down!
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11 December 2017 18:53 Post ID: #485779 - in reply to #485711
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It's always interesting looking back. To my mind, since KK walked, we have had 2 decent managers, Hughton and Rafa.

Both of these have generated a transfer surplus of over £20m whereas McClaren spent a net £73m, at least if Transfer League's figures are reliable.

This is at a time when clubs like Brighton have spent £55m in a summer and Watford are not far off that. Our own transfer record stands since 2009, the previous one, which is higher than any in between, was back in 1996.

If we had Benitez under a different owner, we would be well up the league now. It's the penny pincher who is responsible for where we are currently, not the manager who has managed to win every UEFA trophy and the world club cup as well as multiple domestic trophies in 3 countries.

Just to put it into context, Joselu cost less than either Carl Cort or Albert Luque,


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11 December 2017 20:15 Post ID: #485780 - in reply to #485711
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So why bother signing Joselu at all? If he isn’t good enough don’t sign him as you may as well use what you have at your disposal.
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11 December 2017 21:16 Post ID: #485781 - in reply to #485711
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Aye toony/rex it's all about opinions but OM makes an excellent point.

Toony,
my final point on rafa in this thread is that he has had owners that matched his game plan.

They got rid.

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11 December 2017 21:22 Post ID: #485782 - in reply to #485711
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Good point OM. Who is at Rafa's disposal? Mitro, the man refs love to book with 12 suspensions in 5 years, Gayle who has been plagued by injury, Tom Heardman and Luke Charman.
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11 December 2017 22:13 Post ID: #485783 - in reply to #485782
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He had Daryl Murphy
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11 December 2017 22:17 Post ID: #485784 - in reply to #485711
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In addition the likes of Armstrong, Perez and Diame who all see themselves as Strikers.

They wouldn’t/don’t do any worse than he does.

Total waste of £5m which could’ve gone into the pot. If he didn’t sign Murphy he could’ve had that Brazilian lad at Watford as an example or added the £5m to the £12m and bought someone half decent.

Then we have the likes of that idiot in defence who was dreadful for the Mackems. How much did he cost?

Edited by Officemonkey 11/12/2017 22:18
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11 December 2017 22:17 Post ID: #485785 - in reply to #485783
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McCreery - 11/12/2017 22:13

He had Daryl Murphy


In fact I’d rather have kept him than Joselu.
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11 December 2017 23:38 Post ID: #485786 - in reply to #485711
I still think Rafa got Joselu because he knew he was getting scraps and rather the £5m go elsewhere than in Ashley's pocket.
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11 December 2017 23:49 Post ID: #485787 - in reply to #485711
Under a proper owner, Rafa's shopping list would have seen us strengthened considerably instead of him having to spend like a kid who's got vouchers for Xmas.

Not being able to count how much he's got and finding a bargain in the sales in the shape of the loan of Merino (and eventual buy), he goes on to grab anything that he's got enough for at the time.
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12 December 2017 04:38 Post ID: #485788 - in reply to #485711
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It has been documented Rafa has an extensive network of scouts or pepole adding to a database re players and their ability etc. Maybe he seen Joselu as a former Real Madrid striker who at the time was a premier league striker for Stoke, was banging the goals pre season for them and thought yeah its s gamble as stated above Gayle has injury problems, Mitro is not mobile enough for Rafa's game plan, Murphy was coming to the twilight of his career and the rest he deemed not good enough or ready to play as a striker for the first team .

A gamble .....that so far may have backfired
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12 December 2017 08:41 Post ID: #485789 - in reply to #485788
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Maybe he should have just googled him....it took me about 10 seconds to find out he wasn't and never has been PL quality
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12 December 2017 08:58 Post ID: #485790 - in reply to #485711
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Wouldn't be the first time the internet has been used to sign someone .
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12 December 2017 13:22 Post ID: #485791 - in reply to #485711
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I have to agree, Murphy would have been a better option than either Mitro or Joselu.

Getting back to Benitez no manager will ever have an easier ride at a club mind. Someone told me all 10 outfield players on Sunday were his signings. That's all 10, not one of whom would get into a poor Leicester side by the way.

The apologists will tell us OK, but they aren't the players he would have signed if he had been given more money. But isn't that also true then of Pardew, or McClaren, or countless others at our club and elsewhere? Imagine the reaction if we kept selling his best players, as we did for "Pards".

The trouble is the players he has signed even for the money they cost look to be very poor on current form. Or maybe he can't get them playing? Either way he should be called to account like any other manager.
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12 December 2017 13:39 Post ID: #485792 - in reply to #485711
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It's a good job no one from RTG looks in here, they'd be pissing themselves.

NUFC supporters wishing they had their former striker, with a career record of a goal every 18 PL appearances and who hasn't scored a PL goal for ten years.

Wonder if they're reminiscing about Chopra?

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12 December 2017 14:03 Post ID: #485793 - in reply to #485711
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Fair enough, all 10 were his signings. 4 of them were bought for the Premier League season, the other 6 for the Championship.

As for Mcclaren, his net spend was over £70m. Pardew more or less broke even. Leicester have 4 players who cost more than our record signing.

Sure, the manager has to be held to account but as part of a wider review before taking corrective measures. Any business has to move with the times and invest at least in line with competitors, the consequence of not doing so is becoming uncompetitive.

There are some obvious areas to strengthen. Other clubs have shown us in recent weeks what sort of quality can be bought at a price, Pogba, Hazard and Mahrez for a start. The manager can be backed with cash in January or alternatively, we can just cross our fingers.
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12 December 2017 14:16 Post ID: #485794 - in reply to #485711
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Didn't Mahrez only cost £400,000 ?

Leicesters championship winning team cost 22 million.

The current mess is not all down to money.



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12 December 2017 14:50 Post ID: #485795 - in reply to #485794
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So who do we want rid of.Ashley or Benitez?Or both?Dont distract yourselves from the fact Ashley is a cunt and has ruined the club.Worry about Benitez when or if fatty goes and we are taken over.
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12 December 2017 14:55 Post ID: #485796 - in reply to #485711
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Careful lads, whatever we do we musn't criticize Rafa. After all he only paid 12m for Jacob Murphy, same for Matt Richie, 9m for Lejeune, 5m each for Manquillo, Joselu and Yedlin. I could go on. Thanks goodness he doesn't pay over the odds for average players like Carr used too.

Yes Mahrez only cost £450K, but you don't get much for that you know.

I don't believe all this stuff about "he bought them for the championship". Do you think Matt Richie took a step down to stay down?

I want Rafa to succeed, but he needs to up his game and giving him a feather bed ride wont help.
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12 December 2017 15:02 Post ID: #485797 - in reply to #485711
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All anyone can do is wait for the hopeful takeover and then see how Benitez does when he is backed with money.
All one can say is his purchases with a low budget have not been that good.
There is a lot of work to be done, a goalkeeper, 2 fullbacks, another central defender, a creative midfielder and 2 strikers for starters.
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12 December 2017 16:13 Post ID: #485801 - in reply to #485795
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markylad74 - 12/12/2017 14:50

So who do we want rid of.Ashley or Benitez?Or both?Dont distract yourselves from the fact Ashley is a cunt and has ruined the club.Worry about Benitez when or if fatty goes and we are taken over.


Benitez is Ashley's stooge marky,
same as Pardew only much more effective.

The fans who clamoured for Pardew to fuck off bend over backwards for Benitez.

What a brilliant job he is doing for fat mike.

He should have walked after the last window instead of staying and slagging his players off to the media,as a result I make no distinction between himself and Ashley.



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12 December 2017 16:35 Post ID: #485802 - in reply to #485711
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I have said some of his signings and decisions have baffled me.But lets get rid of Ashley 1st.Thats all I want.One thing Benitez has done is change the thinking of a lot of fans that have kept going.A lot of them couldnt see what Ashley was doing or rather didnt want to see it and carried on as if nothing was wrong.But lets be clear.I have no sympathy with anyone that works for the fat one.I certainly dont disagree with you Pie when you say he should have walked in the summer.Maybe a lot of things/matters I dont think clearly regards Newcastle as I am blinkered most of the time with my hatred towards Ashley.Nothing matters at the club for me at the moment.Except getting rid of Ashley.

Edited by markylad74 12/12/2017 17:03
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12 December 2017 19:42 Post ID: #485806 - in reply to #485792
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Neppos - 12/12/2017 13:39

It's a good job no one from RTG looks in here, they'd be pissing themselves.

NUFC supporters wishing they had their former striker, with a career record of a goal every 18 PL appearances and who hasn't scored a PL goal for ten years.

Wonder if they're reminiscing about Chopra?



Not that I give a fuck what any of them think but I reckon they'll find the fact that we have spunked 5 million up the wall on the Stoke reject amusing enough

Benitez persisting with him must really fucking tickle them
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12 December 2017 21:49 Post ID: #485812 - in reply to #485711
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Aye marky ,

I agree fatty gone is the most important thing.

His departure will make it a great Christmas for us all.

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13 December 2017 03:31 Post ID: #485816 - in reply to #485711
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Edited by Rytoon 13/12/2017 03:39
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13 December 2017 03:35 Post ID: #485817 - in reply to #485711
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Fatty leaving our city would taste even sweeter than thatcher crying on the doorsteps of number 10,fuck off & take your poison with you.
That's the priority.
The Rafa debate should follow if/when he stays or goes.
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