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09 December 2017 19:30 Post ID: #485711
So Benitez is making the team 'hard to beat'. Ok. Playing like an away team when you're playing at home isn't going to guarantee you results. Same old fucking excuses as well, he knew what he was getting into before he took the job so I have no sympathy for him. Stubborn and fucking clueless at times but for some reason fans defend him to the death. We aren't only getting beat we are getting outplayed and his refusal to play a striker up until now has cost us at least 15 points. Boring fucking shite ineffective football shows he's just like mourinho- gets results with a good team but struggles anywhere else.
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09 December 2017 19:43 Post ID: #485713 - in reply to #485711
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To go 4-4-2 against a team who are good on the counter attack was a disaster. This was exposed by Bournemouth at home so why do it again? To drop Mbemba who is better than any of the back four who played today was also wrong IMO. We've beaten West Ham, Swansea, Stoke and Palace who are all fucking shite. However I wouldn't back us to get even a point against West Ham, Stoke and Palace away especially as the first two will come before we can improve the team, new owner or not.
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09 December 2017 19:48 Post ID: #485714 - in reply to #485711
It's a bad day in a run of bad days lately. We weren't hammered like against Watford and on another day we might have won but we certainly deserved a point. We're getting no luck and the game today was about fine margins. The side kept letting people have pot shots after we'd scored the initial goal, you can't let Mahrez do that. I thought Darlow might have done better with Leicester's first, a more experienced or better quality keeper (like Rafa wanted to buy) wouldn't have made that error. Gayle should have made it 2-0 prior to that but he's simply not consistent enough at the top level. This squad is worse than the one Rafa took down last time. He's not blameless but he's got what he's got as a squad and again I'll ask who else could do better with these players please tell me ? The only one at the moment I could think of who possibly may do, would be Pulis .
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09 December 2017 19:51 Post ID: #485715 - in reply to #485711
1 point out of 21. Surrendered more points from a leading position than any other team in the league. The space and time Leicester had in the middle was embarrassing, there were a few occasions they made mistakes and our players were so far from the ball they got away with them. Ah well at least we can say 1 of Benitez subs actually made an impact even if it was in the wrong net.
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09 December 2017 19:56 Post ID: #485716 - in reply to #485711
Keggy it's not about who's the better man. Looking at CVs there's probably no better man. It's about motivation and style of football. I'm watching that team and seriously wondering what the fuck are they doing In training all week to be that bad. Benitez has a great record with good teams, playing defensive football. His style of football does not suit the club nor does it get the most out of these players. Personally I couldn't watch any of Benitez teams and I wouldn't be complaining if we were playing shite and getting results but we're not.
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09 December 2017 19:58 Post ID: #485717 - in reply to #485711
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Although Rafa isnt completely blameless as some of his tactics and selections leave a lot to be desired,in my opinion this is all down to one man.Ashley.He wont spend money on players be it transfer fees or wages.Teams like Watford and Bournemouth that dont get 52000 if you added both grounds together can spend 20-30 million on players.Dont tell me its all down to TV money because it isnt.I dont call those that go to games as its their choice but come on,you must wonder this point as well.Dont give me the shite about going to support the team.You are supporting Ashley 1st enabling him to give you these shite players as the best he will spend or we can afford.All the while selling players i.e Carrol,Cabeye,Wijnaldum.
The sooner he has gone the better and Benitez will need to up his game if a takeover goes ahead as we have seen with other clubs in the past,new owners come in and if results are not immediate have sacked managers.
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09 December 2017 20:01 Post ID: #485718 - in reply to #485716
Rza - 9/12/2017 19:56

Keggy it's not about who's the better man. Looking at CVs there's probably no better man. It's about motivation and style of football. I'm watching that team and seriously wondering what the fuck are they doing In training all week to be that bad. Benitez has a great record with good teams, playing defensive football. His style of football does not suit the club nor does it get the most out of these players. Personally I couldn't watch any of Benitez teams and I wouldn't be complaining if we were playing shite and getting results but we're not.


Rza , I'm not talking about who is the better man, not at any point in my post have I referred to people's character. If you're planning on a managerial change you must have a change in mind. It's not working under Rafa at the moment so who would you realistically appoint to do a better job and why ?

Also what did anyone actually expect this season based on our pre -season ? Everything told us that our squad is too small, lacking depth and quality and that we would be battling relegation. Some people are either eternal optimists or need to wake up to how crippled our club is .

Edited by keggy_keagal 9/12/2017 20:06
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09 December 2017 20:09 Post ID: #485719 - in reply to #485711
A good man manager who plays his best starting 11 and makes tactical substitutions before the 80th minute. It doesn't have to be a top class manager. A top manager will never be able to work with Ashley anyway as we are seeing right now. I don't care how much Ashley hasn't spent on players there's no one will convince me that we should be getting beat of Huddersfield or Bournemouth.
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09 December 2017 20:11 Post ID: #485720 - in reply to #485711
I was expecting a relegation battle as well not a relegation bottle
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09 December 2017 20:16 Post ID: #485721 - in reply to #485711
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To be honest we were pretty poor last season so it's no wonder we are struggling this season.
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09 December 2017 20:17 Post ID: #485722 - in reply to #485719
Rza - 9/12/2017 20:09

A good man manager who plays his best starting 11 and makes tactical substitutions before the 80th minute. It doesn't have to be a top class manager. A top manager will never be able to work with Ashley anyway as we are seeing right now. I don't care how much Ashley hasn't spent on players there's no one will convince me that we should be getting beat of Huddersfield or Bournemouth.


Name them .
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09 December 2017 20:57 Post ID: #485723 - in reply to #485719
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Rza - 9/12/2017 20:09

A good man manager who plays his best starting 11 and makes tactical substitutions before the 80th minute. It doesn't have to be a top class manager. A top manager will never be able to work with Ashley anyway as we are seeing right now. I don't care how much Ashley hasn't spent on players there's no one will convince me that we should be getting beat of Huddersfield or Bournemouth.


Rza why should we be beating these teams when we sign our 3rd or 4th choice target as he wont pay for 1st or 2nd choice,and sell our best players.Them 2 you mentioned have spent more than us and probably signed their 1st choice target at the same time.
We are where we are and for me its down to one man.Ashley.Like you wont be convinced we shouldn't lose to Huddersfield or Bournemouth,I wont be convinced its not down to Ashley.
Does anyone really think Manquillo,Murphy and Joselu were Benitez 1st choice targets.
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09 December 2017 21:32 Post ID: #485724 - in reply to #485711
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We are a championship squad playing in the premier league thanks to fatty not investing. Benitez is a proven manager who is working with a poor squad whilst some of his tactics and substitutions are baffling i dont think there is anyone who would do a better job under the circumstances. Heres hoping fatty sells up and fucks off and Benitez has the chance to sign some players.
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09 December 2017 22:22 Post ID: #485725 - in reply to #485711
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It hasn't gone unnoticed that we have been leaking goals at the back since Lascelles was injured at an alarming rate. Only twice had we conceded more than one with him in the team. His authority and presence in the team was sorely missed tonight. Lejeune, when he deflected the ball for the second goal was turning away, shocking defending. Clark wasn't much better. The ball was like a hot potato when he got it.
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09 December 2017 22:50 Post ID: #485726 - in reply to #485711
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Clark has dramatically gone down hill maybe he was playing above his ability for a while but looks poor at the minute.
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09 December 2017 22:58 Post ID: #485727 - in reply to #485711
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Ask Villa fans about Clark. He was pretty poor there for a good few seasons. I don't even think Lascelles is that a good a defender but he's a leader and gets the players around him playing better. No way will Lascelles play for any top six team in the PL but he's the best we've got at the minute.
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09 December 2017 23:02 Post ID: #485728 - in reply to #485726
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Bruce68 - 9/12/2017 22:50

Clark has dramatically gone down hill maybe he was playing above his ability for a while but looks poor at the minute.

Maybe it's only when he is playing alongside Lascelles that he looks ok
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09 December 2017 23:36 Post ID: #485729 - in reply to #485711
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Clarks's always been a poor footballer and a second rate defender. Our best defender and one of our best footballers doesn't make the starting 11. Someone said it above, but we feel we should be beating Bournemouth/Watford etc, why, history, size, stadium etc. Means nothing when every single one of these so called lesser clubs is invested in. We're a team made up of players nobody else wanted and we're in danger of ruining/losing the one decent find we have in Merino. Benitez will walk in January if we're not sold and the atmosphere will be as toxic as Pardews last season. As for people leaving early when you're 2-3 down on a SATURDAY night, if that's the kind of prick that follows football these days then no wonder the atmosphere's rotten. The game has gone to shit it really has.
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10 December 2017 05:28 Post ID: #485731 - in reply to #485711
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Good post PK
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10 December 2017 09:20 Post ID: #485735 - in reply to #485711
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So Benitez record is superb and he has been a top Manager but I would have thought Mitro was worth a run in the team in place of Joselu. He is a loose cannon but might have sparked the team into life, worth trying surely. Shelvey sitting on the bench I don't understand. I know he has his problems but surely he has more going for him than the rest of the midfield. Darlow is no better than Eliott so can't understand that change.
No money available, true, but does Benitez have a grudge/reluctance with certain players and is he making the most with what he has, which isn't much I know.
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10 December 2017 09:36 Post ID: #485736 - in reply to #485711
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I am far from convinced by Benitez still. Poor signings, baffling tactics. I hope he can get it right.
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10 December 2017 10:11 Post ID: #485738 - in reply to #485711
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Without doubt the manager is not without criticism, he makes big calls and has to stand by them be it they work or not.
His CV stands up anywhere, but not having Mbemba near the team baffles me. The manager gets to see more of the players on a day to day basis than any of us so it's his call I guess.
He was lambasted for only playing 1 up front when at home and after several weeks changed his thought process and went to a 442 and still he gets grief ! He won't start Mitro because of his lack of speed etc.. but for me our current tactics are not setting the world on fire so why not play him as a target man ? Managers choice not to maybe he just doesn't rate him.
I hope his name can attract some players in the loan market if no funds are available. We need strengthening urgently
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10 December 2017 10:37 Post ID: #485739 - in reply to #485711
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Its his squad even if he inherited a few players.if he is as good as people think he is we should be away from relegation. No I can't think of another manager but could they do any worse than he's done lately. If this takeover goes tits up I can see benitez either being sacked or less likely resigning, and tony pulis coming in to try and keep us up.
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10 December 2017 10:51 Post ID: #485740 - in reply to #485711
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Yes its his squad.... A squad mainly of championship level standard players with a smattering of premiership quality players.

Last year promoted at the first attempt with virtually the same squad. Now we have gone up a level and had next to nil investment... who didn't think we were in for a struggle ?
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10 December 2017 11:06 Post ID: #485742 - in reply to #485711
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Not many mate but people think benitez is beyond criticism blaming fatty for the lack of investment but didn't he spend over £30m+ on players.its benitez who has wasted it on shite like Joselu/Lazaar/Hanley/Gamez/Diane/Sels in his time here, any others that are dogshite.

Fatty is indeed a tightwad but benitez has bought some utter white so far.

Edited by billybobcat 10/12/2017 11:09
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10 December 2017 11:11 Post ID: #485744 - in reply to #485711
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I can't argue with that list of players

Just hope n pray that he was working to a budget... and if funds do become available then his class of player identification improves vastly.
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10 December 2017 11:23 Post ID: #485746 - in reply to #485711
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Benitez has bought shite.Because he hasnt been given the money to buy the players he wanted.Ashley is to blame end of.Sooner he is gone the better.10 years of shite with him here.Cant blame Benitez for that.He wanted Abraham on loan as thats where we are.It went tits up and we ended up with Joselu.He was only bought in my opinion as Mitro always walks a tightrope with suspensions and with Gayles injury record,if both were out who would we put in.Meanwhile Watford spent over 30m on Gray and Ricarlison.2 players that would walk into our team.But they are out of our league and that is down to fatty.Watford with their sub 20000 crowds,do me a favour.
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10 December 2017 11:23 Post ID: #485747 - in reply to #485711
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He made some shocking buys when Liverpool manager as well even if he is working to a budget surely he must have known players like Joselu were dogshite at his previous club. I'd sooner we'd go down the loan player route than waste millions on dogshit players where you're going to lose money on.

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10 December 2017 11:29 Post ID: #485748 - in reply to #485711
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I thought that Abraham didn't come because his father advised him not to? As I've stated why didn't he go for loan players instead of buying players who he probably knew were shit like Joselu but still bought him.

Yes fatty is a greedy cunt but he still gave benitez over £30m+ to spend its not his fault player prices are too high for bog standard players.
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10 December 2017 11:39 Post ID: #485749 - in reply to #485711
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Think we will have to disagree on this one.Still cant believe people give fatty the benefit of the doubt at times.Time after time he has shafted us.Yes Benitez bought shite at Liverpool.I couldnt give a shit about what he did elsewhere.He warned us in the Summer we would be where we are without investment and he has been proved right.As for Abraham,I heard we wouldnt pay the loan fee and the percentage of his wage Chelsea wanted.Then big old Swansea nipped in and out of the 2 because we fucked about he was then advised to go there.I said earlier Benitez isnt blameless but the problem here goes deeper than Rafa.Has done for a decade.Lets not lose sight of that.
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10 December 2017 11:46 Post ID: #485750 - in reply to #485711
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The indirect problem of Ashley being in charge is reflected inability to attract any talent.

Seriously would you want to play for a boss like him, we have to shop at SD, instead of marks and Spencer at the moment.

Once he goes, decent owners, proper ground sponsoring, paying the going rate, then, the better players will start and look again.

It only takes one or two to come, then the floodgates will open.
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10 December 2017 12:32 Post ID: #485751 - in reply to #485711
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I don't think anyone is giving Ashley the benefit of the doubt. We know he has not a clue.
That does not mean that Benitez, however good his record, is faultless.
As for incomings, why did they not go for Defoe, proven goal scorer and affordable which Joselu isn't.
Probably because Ashley would not sanction buying a player of that age. There must however be others younger and in budget that would have done a better job.
No money I know but he has bought some rubbish.
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10 December 2017 12:37 Post ID: #485752 - in reply to #485711
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Defie was never affordable as his wages are too much for Newcastle but not Bournemouth.I have said before Benitez not blameless but do you honestly believe the shite he brought in were his 1st choice.Not a chance.I even said he needs to be careful if a takeover goes through because if results dont improve he could be gone.
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10 December 2017 12:54 Post ID: #485753 - in reply to #485711
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I have not seen the match yet,but then again I probably don't need to.

Same old boring defensive boring tactics no doubt.

When they win rafa gets the praise,when they lose they are a championship team.

Real championship teams such as Huddersfield,Brighton and West Brom are rarely mentioned on here.

Rafa is the perfect foil for Ashley.

Keggy asking who should we replace him with is a a perfect example.

When on the rare occasions he allows the team to play expansive football they actually look quite good,the bloke obviously knows much more about football than the likes of Pardew,but he's proving to be the cunt his last few clubs thought he was.

He won't last 2 years if/after a takeover imo.








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10 December 2017 13:58 Post ID: #485754 - in reply to #485711
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Aye regardless of the lack of quality there's no excuse for players hiding, lack of confidence and the lack of urgency and effort to go forward and express yourself. That said, I'm sick of sacking managers and still think this is exactly what Ashley wants and has always done, not back his managers and wait for the crowd to point the finger at them instead of him. Benitez will walk in January if not backed I reckon anyway.
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10 December 2017 14:04 Post ID: #485755 - in reply to #485711
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Can't argue with any of that PK.
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10 December 2017 14:19 Post ID: #485756 - in reply to #485711
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Also how good are those players not starting? Mitrovic, Aarons and Shelvey changed the game against a very poor West Brom side, but over time have often proved inconsistent and a liability. For me only Mbemba would start regularly in the teams we're competing with in the bottom half of the league.
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10 December 2017 14:26 Post ID: #485757 - in reply to #485711
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ive read that Olivier Giroud is wanting to go out on loan so he can stay in the french national team for the world cup, surely its worth a punt bringing him in if fatty will pay his wages. same with Torres bring in a decent striker on loan and you never know they might stay up.
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10 December 2017 14:51 Post ID: #485758 - in reply to #485711
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Was thinking the same thing regards Giroud earlier when watching the Arsenal game.If we went back to 1 up front to make us harder to break down like earlier in the season,he is the perfect striker to play up there on his own.But like you say and has been proved in the past it will be an issue with wages.
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10 December 2017 15:09 Post ID: #485759 - in reply to #485711
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Exactly, it's all about wages with Ashley. Anything above national minimum is scrutinised. Pardew wanted to sign Salah (yes, him of Chelsea now at Liverpool) but Ashley wouldn't pay the wages. It's easy to blame the manager, they're expendable. it's the owners who are harder to shift.
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