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15 November 2017 19:21 Post ID: #484561
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On Benitez being in charge for any considerable length of time if there is a takeover.

I am one of his biggest critics but it's meant as genuine question with no agenda.

If ,and i'm not up to date with the gossip, there really is a takeover and the new owner/owners are as ambitious as the likes of Chelsea,the two Manchester clubs and Liverpool,would rafa be trusted by the new bosses and even the fans with a massive transfer budget,and would he have the tactics to satisfy a completely different type of expectation that I anticipate would emerge ?

My viewpoint remains the same,and is heavily influenced by what has happened at his last four-five clubs who's ambitions appeared to be exclusively CL.

On a different note,
I've read threads that warn us of new owners,my take is if they are in it for themselves what would we have lost ?

It's a no lose situation.


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15 November 2017 20:06 Post ID: #484564 - in reply to #484561
Rafa will be paramount to the plans of anyone buying us and id expect him to sign a long contract if the scenario arose.

I also think he will be a success with decent funds but if anyone reckons there'll be some mega spending spree then they're going to be in for a surprise. I reckon Rafa would build slowly and not rock things too much.
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15 November 2017 20:13 Post ID: #484565 - in reply to #484561
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Firstly, you have to question why anyone with no connection to the city, let alone the football club, would want to buy NUFC. And how much they really care.

The answer is 'money' and 'they dont'.

As with when fatty arrived, I think almost everyone sees it as a 'win/win' situation if we are bought out. And it might well turn out that way, as far as success on the pitch is concerned. I hope it does.

But, we've been here a decade ago with a new owner coming in, with lots of cash - and people only ever saw that as a win/win scenario, as well. How wrong could you all have been?
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15 November 2017 21:25 Post ID: #484568 - in reply to #484561
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Cuckfan,There was a link put up the other day from the old forum.Why dont you show us your post where you were the only 1 that had doubts about Ashley.If not stop going on about it.You really are a bigheaded cunt that knows everything.Dont worry you can abuse me for questioning you,like you do with everyone else that doesnt agree with your shite.
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15 November 2017 21:28 Post ID: #484569 - in reply to #484565
CuckFan - 15/11/2017 20:13

Firstly, you have to question why anyone with no connection to the city, let alone the football club, would want to buy NUFC. And how much they really care.

The answer is 'money' and 'they dont'.

As with when fatty arrived, I think almost everyone sees it as a 'win/win' situation if we are bought out. And it might well turn out that way, as far as success on the pitch is concerned. I hope it does.

But, we've been here a decade ago with a new owner coming in, with lots of cash - and people only ever saw that as a win/win scenario, as well. How wrong could you all have been?


That's the thing though, I dont think anyone will have an issue with any owner coming in to make some cash off us or even to use us to promote their brand because the better they do should mean that the club will. The two things have to work together in tandem.

The Ashley way has seen him try to prosper himself without 'caring' about the most important part of the business and that being the football club.

With a bit more honesty and less deceit, Ashley could have still bettered his company on the back of us being run to our potential without the needs to divert everything away from it.

Whoever we get, they'll be an instant upgrade with very little chance of doing a worse job than Ashley.
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15 November 2017 21:29 Post ID: #484570 - in reply to #484561
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Markylar....How about, you lick my loveplank?

Edited by CuckFan 15/11/2017 21:30
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15 November 2017 21:30 Post ID: #484571 - in reply to #484568
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Personally would stick with Rafa and see how he does, there are no guarantees even if you spend big but Rafa has a bit of pedigree and he is doing ok with a shit squad so imagine what he might achieve with some backing
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15 November 2017 21:33 Post ID: #484572 - in reply to #484561
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Ah, now I agree there Toony - Ashley could really have made a go of this, if he hadn't been so pig-headed, and only interested in money. In the end, he'd have made a lot more had he dealt properly with the footballing side of things.

But.

When you have an outsider, with no 'real' interest in the football club other than to make money, you bring with it all sorts of problems.

In the case of a middle-eastern multi-multi billionaire, how do you think they made this money - by being benevolent, or, by deceit, corruption, and generally taking advantage of others at every level?? The answer is, we don't know, never will know, and thus, there are risks that the club is used to launder money, the money we are bought with isn't actually 'real' in that it could be used against the club as a loan, or hidden for the moment from a tax entity in another land.
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15 November 2017 21:36 Post ID: #484573 - in reply to #484570
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CuckFan - 15/11/2017 21:29

Markylar....How about, you lick my loveplank?


There we have it.You cant prove fuck all.Your a bullshitting liar.Havent you grew out of responding with messages like that.You mention about debating matters but when people do,this is what they get.Prove you were the only one with reservations about Ashley.You cant cause you never said it.
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15 November 2017 21:40 Post ID: #484574 - in reply to #484561
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Aye. Checheche would disagree, who was the most 'pro-Ashley' of them all back in the day, is well aware of an opposing view.
Thing is, the thick bint, not as thick as some dullard calling someone a 'liar' simply because I refuse to go down the route you suggest................do one, fuckwit.

*Added to the returd list - both a combination of being a 'retard' and a 'turd', for failing to actually add to a conversation with a point of his own, but, like YellowBellyMick, would rather argue anothers point without having one, himself.
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15 November 2017 21:45 Post ID: #484575 - in reply to #484574
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CuckFan - 15/11/2017 21:40

Aye. Checheche would disagree, who was the most 'pro-Ashley' of them all back in the day, is well aware of an opposing view.
Thing is, the thick bint, not as thick as some dullard calling someone a 'liar' simply because I refuse to go down the route you suggest................do one, fuckwit.

*Added to the returd list - both a combination of being a 'retard' and a 'turd', for failing to actually add to a conversation with a point of his own, but, like YellowBellyMick, would rather argue anothers point without having one, himself.


Just prove it.You cant.Please dont call me a returd or whatever name you kids come up with these days.What will I do.You really need to get your legover or something along them lines.Might ease you up a bit.Fucking liar and nothing better.
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15 November 2017 21:49 Post ID: #484576 - in reply to #484561
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*cups hand to ear....nope, nowt.

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15 November 2017 21:53 Post ID: #484577 - in reply to #484576
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CuckFan - 15/11/2017 21:49

*cups hand to ear....nope, nowt.

:73:

How do you know I am on about you then.You have nobody on ignore.Your a Liar.
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15 November 2017 21:56 Post ID: #484578 - in reply to #484561
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Still reading 'my shite' then?

Like catnip to you and YellowBoy, isn't it?

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15 November 2017 21:59 Post ID: #484579 - in reply to #484578
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CuckFan - 15/11/2017 21:56

Still reading 'my shite' then?

Like catnip to you and YellowBoy, isn't it?

:a53:

You have got me cockhead.Go on,you can have the last word like my 7yr old son.
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15 November 2017 22:00 Post ID: #484580 - in reply to #484561
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See what I mean?

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16 November 2017 10:43 Post ID: #484592 - in reply to #484561
PieMag - 15/11/2017 19:21

On Benitez being in charge for any considerable length of time if there is a takeover.

I am one of his biggest critics but it's meant as genuine question with no agenda.

If ,and i'm not up to date with the gossip, there really is a takeover and the new owner/owners are as ambitious as the likes of Chelsea,the two Manchester clubs and Liverpool,would rafa be trusted by the new bosses and even the fans with a massive transfer budget,and would he have the tactics to satisfy a completely different type of expectation that I anticipate would emerge ?

My viewpoint remains the same,and is heavily influenced by what has happened at his last four-five clubs who's ambitions appeared to be exclusively CL.

On a different note,
I've read threads that warn us of new owners,my take is if they are in it for themselves what would we have lost ?

It's a no lose situation.




I've a feeling if there is new ownership and the spend is what has been mooted in the rags Rafa will have at most about 3 years to make us a side competing for Champion's League spaces. I'd also expect the level of expectation from the fans would also cause increased frustration with his style of football. If a board's supplying money readily the pressure would once again be focused on the manager and the team. Benitez is Benitez, he only does things his way and even Liverpool fans found him at times stubborn,bloody minded and certain decisions baffling. That being said I do think under Rafa and with a decent budget we have the best chance of a trophy since Bobby Robson.
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16 November 2017 11:01 Post ID: #484593 - in reply to #484561
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Personally if it happens and a takeover happens the owners won't have bought the club to make money as such, but to try and get one over on other clubs owned by other middle eastern owners.

Regarding benitez I'm with piemag in what he says.
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16 November 2017 11:07 Post ID: #484594 - in reply to #484561
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Can't fault that post Keggy . Just hope as you say the murmurings coming from the newspapers are true and we get a hefty transfer fund, the fans give some time and not want instant success . The incoming have to gel etc. The days of a club splashing the cash over 1-2 years and winninh the league are virtually dead.
3 years sounds about right, the expectations will grow year on year but as long as there is improvement during that time I think the fans will understand.
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16 November 2017 12:10 Post ID: #484596 - in reply to #484561
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The main thing is the club getting sold and seeing the back of fatty. Even if benitez doesn't do well he can always be replaced, where as takeovers by seriously rich owners is harder to come by.
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16 November 2017 18:43 Post ID: #484604 - in reply to #484561
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Markylad, cockfan comes over as an ill informed, big headed, bullshitting gobshite most of the time, no doubt about that. Even more tragic he tries to bully anyone he perceives might be weaker than him. I really hope he is just trolling and not showing his actual personality.

But if you just think of him as the forum "village idiot" the stuff he posts becomes quite amusing.

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16 November 2017 19:15 Post ID: #484605 - in reply to #484604
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crooktownmags - 16/11/2017 18:43

Markylad, cockfan comes over as an ill informed, big headed, bullshitting gobshite most of the time, no doubt about that. Even more tragic he tries to bully anyone he perceives might be weaker than him. I really hope he is just trolling and not showing his actual personality.

But if you just think of him as the forum "village idiot" the stuff he posts becomes quite amusing.


Couldnt agree more.He seeks more attention than a child.One thing is though,I have read posts on this board for years and laughed along the way but this idiot with his childish shite and abuse when questioned is killing the board.Whole point of a message board is chat and debate.Hes a grade A cunt.Whatever anyone has done he has done better.
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16 November 2017 19:38 Post ID: #484608 - in reply to #484561
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I’ve just dropped an 8lb pancracker in the shitter, that’ll take some bettering.
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16 November 2017 20:56 Post ID: #484610 - in reply to #484561
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New owners would give Rafa a fair chance but like everything these days it will depend on results.
Owners are not charities so if they make money so what, they are ploughing it in in the first place.
The days of having an owner with a clun connection are over.
Be nice to have al thread without the schoolboy abuse that some find necessary. Rise above the bait.
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16 November 2017 21:49 Post ID: #484614 - in reply to #484561
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Do you weigh your shite like Gilly? Or is that just an estimate.
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16 November 2017 22:42 Post ID: #484617 - in reply to #484608
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Gillyboat - 16/11/2017 19:38

I’ve just dropped an 8lb pancracker in the shitter, that’ll take some bettering.


Send it to CF he will do a biopsy on it.
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16 November 2017 22:50 Post ID: #484618 - in reply to #484592
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keggy_keagal - 16/11/2017 10:43

I've a feeling if there is new ownership and the spend is what has been mooted in the rags Rafa will have at most about 3 years to make us a side competing for Champion's League spaces. I'd also expect the level of expectation from the fans would also cause increased frustration with his style of football. If a board's supplying money readily the pressure would once again be focused on the manager and the team. Benitez is Benitez, he only does things his way and even Liverpool fans found him at times stubborn,bloody minded and certain decisions baffling. That being said I do think under Rafa and with a decent budget we have the best chance of a trophy since Bobby Robson.


Aye good post keggy.

Owners and football fans are fickle though,i'd be surprised if he managed three years.

Then again that would largely depend on the size of the transfer kitty,the more he get's the bigger the expectation.


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16 November 2017 23:01 Post ID: #484619 - in reply to #484561
I dont think the expectation level will be that much of an issue for various reasons.

One being that Rafa has managed at the top and arguably there is nowhere with higher expectations than at Real Madrid. The politics beat him there, not the results.

Also, the fact that we have had 10 years worth of managing the expectation levels under Ashley means that an honest approach under new owners with maximum effort from the players will be sufficient.

As long as we have a go then I reckon that will be more than enough for the majority although I dont think Rafa will just want to spend cash willy nilly and will have a long term plan for the club to win things.
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16 November 2017 23:13 Post ID: #484620 - in reply to #484619
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Toon_NoMatterWot - 16/11/2017 23:01

I dont think the expectation level will be that much of an issue for various reasons.

One being that Rafa has managed at the top and arguably there is nowhere with higher expectations than at Real Madrid. The politics beat him there, not the results.

Also, the fact that we have had 10 years worth of managing the expectation levels under Ashley means that an honest approach under new owners with maximum effort from the players will be sufficient.

As long as we have a go then I reckon that will be more than enough for the majority although I dont think Rafa will just want to spend cash willy nilly and will have a long term plan for the club to win things.


What politics beat him at Real toony ?

I was under the impression that the supporters did not appreciate his tactics and the players his attitude and lack of man management.



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16 November 2017 23:22 Post ID: #484621 - in reply to #484620
PieMag - 16/11/2017 23:13

Toon_NoMatterWot - 16/11/2017 23:01

I dont think the expectation level will be that much of an issue for various reasons.

One being that Rafa has managed at the top and arguably there is nowhere with higher expectations than at Real Madrid. The politics beat him there, not the results.

Also, the fact that we have had 10 years worth of managing the expectation levels under Ashley means that an honest approach under new owners with maximum effort from the players will be sufficient.

As long as we have a go then I reckon that will be more than enough for the majority although I dont think Rafa will just want to spend cash willy nilly and will have a long term plan for the club to win things.


What politics beat him at Real toony ?

I was under the impression that the supporters did not appreciate his tactics and the players his attitude and lack of man management.





Rafa followed Ancelotti and due to his success which included the 10th European Cup, he was on a loser straight away as the players weren't happy about him leaving.

Rafa also wasn't allowed a big spend but had to get Gareth Bale in a more prominent role which upset Ronaldo and co further. They pretty much dictated what happened in the end by them downing tools.

As for the fans, the success they have had sees you one game from the sack there and the bad home result to Barcelona was just the icing on the cake. He still had around a 70% win rate.
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16 November 2017 23:59 Post ID: #484622 - in reply to #484561
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Get your points but winning seven out of ten is never going to be acceptable at Real (or Barca) in that league, or Europe.

It was never gonna end well for Rafa up against their star player, Ronaldo would have wanted him out the door from day one with his Liverpool background and perceived negative tactics, and relished his part in his demise.
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17 November 2017 07:01 Post ID: #484623 - in reply to #484621
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Toon_NoMatterWot - 16/11/2017 23:22

Rafa followed Ancelotti and due to his success which included the 10th European Cup, he was on a loser straight away as the players weren't happy about him leaving.

Rafa also wasn't allowed a big spend but had to get Gareth Bale in a more prominent role which upset Ronaldo and co further. They pretty much dictated what happened in the end by them downing tools.

As for the fans, the success they have had sees you one game from the sack there and the bad home result to Barcelona was just the icing on the cake. He still had around a 70% win rate.


In the interests of balance it should be pointed out that his successor who had zero managerial experience managed a much better win rate and quickly won the fans round with his style of football.
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17 November 2017 07:19 Post ID: #484624 - in reply to #484614
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MickMartin - 16/11/2017 21:49

Do you weigh your shite like Gilly? Or is that just an estimate.


We've had a new bathroom suite fitted, which has an LCD display on it that shows the weight of the person/pot/contents. Before bombing Dresden I tare the aforementioned weighing device once I'm seated and target is in my sights, once I've unleashed hell and fury upon Dresden the weight of my Shite is displayed. It was actually a trifle over 8lbs but I rounded down.....so no not an estimate.
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17 November 2017 07:31 Post ID: #484625 - in reply to #484623
PieMag - 17/11/2017 07:01

Toon_NoMatterWot - 16/11/2017 23:22

Rafa followed Ancelotti and due to his success which included the 10th European Cup, he was on a loser straight away as the players weren't happy about him leaving.

Rafa also wasn't allowed a big spend but had to get Gareth Bale in a more prominent role which upset Ronaldo and co further. They pretty much dictated what happened in the end by them downing tools.

As for the fans, the success they have had sees you one game from the sack there and the bad home result to Barcelona was just the icing on the cake. He still had around a 70% win rate.


In the interests of balance it should be pointed out that his successor who had zero managerial experience managed a much better win rate and quickly won the fans round with his style of football.


Also for balance sake, that's happened at many clubs including us with the likes of Willie McFaul an example. I wonder if Zidane would have had the same effect if it was him that followed Ancelotti?
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17 November 2017 08:00 Post ID: #484626 - in reply to #484561
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I find YellowMicks infatuation with 'Shite', somewhat amusing.

Not only does he quote 'he'd eat his own shite if Best scores', he's banging on about Gilly's turds on here - rather than discuss the topic postulated - ie - thoughts on issues NUFC related.

What is it about poo you like so much? Stabbing it, I would imagine.

Another of his quotes is, he'd 'love to snap Dyer in two'. Managed it, yet? Or, is it something else you may find in a public bog - lot's and lot's of hot air at the push of a button?
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17 November 2017 08:48 Post ID: #484629 - in reply to #484561
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I had forgotten about my Best quote Robin thanks for reminding me it was one of my better ones, funny how you didnt forget it though. Gilly thanks for the clarification i think you might need to see the doc if you are knocking out 8ib of shite when you pinch off your daily loaf.
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17 November 2017 09:12 Post ID: #484630 - in reply to #484626
CuckFan - 17/11/2017 08:00


What is it about poo you like so much? Stabbing it, I would imagine.




You like to imagine that sort of thing a lot .

Edited by keggy_keagal 17/11/2017 11:11
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17 November 2017 11:42 Post ID: #484633 - in reply to #484561
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How does he know what Mick said.He has him on ignore.Another lie from the boards bullshitting loner.
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17 November 2017 12:55 Post ID: #484636 - in reply to #484561
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Laughing me bits off! Love a bit of toilet humour. Thanks lads.

As for Rafa: of course he'll stay. He'll be well rewarded for stabilizing the ship and possibly managing top six. But then, with the vast riches lavished on the club by the Qatari, with owner's and fans' ambitions sky high, they'll replace him with Ancelotti.

Heh.

Don't ask me what I'm on. It's Friday, the sun is shining and I've the day and the weekend to look forward to. I'm even optimistic about a point tomorrow at Manure!
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17 November 2017 18:03 Post ID: #484653 - in reply to #484561
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He hasn't got anyone on ignore, we are the only "mates" he has.
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