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28 June 2016 16:45 Post ID: #472422 - in reply to #471037
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Shame on anyone who voted leave. They knew this would happen. I'm sure the BNP and other various racist organisations had half decent manifestos with things you agree with. However, they were ultimately racists and xenophobes so you keep well away. People who voted leave knew this and did nothing, they ignored the obvious. They've wilfully accepted this behaviour into our country and it is now causing an uprising of ultra right wings across Europe and the world.

And for anyone who claims they didn't know that this would happen then shame on them too because it was quite easy to research. The whole bloody campaign was built on it.

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28 June 2016 16:58 Post ID: #472423 - in reply to #471037
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so thats 17 million people now racist / xenophobes in the UK then ? you mate live on planet twat
I feel quite sure there is a large portion of the leave voters that do not fit the profile you alledge them to have, and i do hope you bump into one of those people who may take umbridge at being called a racist.
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28 June 2016 17:21 Post ID: #472424 - in reply to #471037
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I haven't said they're all racists. They've just voted for a campaign that was based on hate and supported by all of the racist organisations. They knew this would happen and still did it regardless.
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28 June 2016 18:01 Post ID: #472425 - in reply to #471037
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IF on the vote form it said

1. Do you want to stay in Europe Y/N
2. Do you want immigration to be tightened up from its current situation Y / N

I bet a much different result would have happened.

The fact the Stay party, tried to link the Outs, with immigration is their own fucking fault.
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28 June 2016 18:16 Post ID: #472428 - in reply to #471037
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Oh, don't get me wrong Guy, the remain campaign were disgraceful too. They had loads of proper ammunition but got embroiled in petty point scoring instead.
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28 June 2016 18:22 Post ID: #472430 - in reply to #471037
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Typical politicians then OM!!!
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28 June 2016 19:45 Post ID: #472432 - in reply to #471037
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Om 16 million voters lost,simple really you all need to let it go and either get on with it or top yourselfs if its so bad,then we won't have to rely on you all helping us idiots out with the mess we have made of the U.K.

Oh even worse than topping yourselfs move up to Scotland and Moan like fuck with the jocks for the rest of your days
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28 June 2016 20:36 Post ID: #472433 - in reply to #471037
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Not all the Jocks are moaning. The fishermen of Peterhead who had 600 boats and now just 65 after the common fisheries policy gave European fleets equal access to British fishing grounds. North Shields had a thriving fishing fleet, long before a lot of posters on here were born but Ted Heath gave those fishing rights away as part of our entry into EEC without making it knowledge to the voting public. The demise didn't take long and adding insult to injury was the crazy 'quota system' whereby if you have extra fish in your nets you throw them back. The most meaningless bit of balls ever to come out of the EU.
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28 June 2016 20:52 Post ID: #472434 - in reply to #471037
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As I said a few thousand pages ago, the whole lies and conjecture sickened me deeply.

As the dust settles though, I'm beginning to see that the status quo,as I first thought, will win out. Lets face it. The EU had become an undemocratic mechanism for maintaining the wealth where it was and giving those elitists their mobile, flexible and very cheap labour force, crossing borders and living almost dormitory style existences, picking up minimum wages in a desperate hope of bettering themselves.

Recognising that is not racism. It is, as Corbyn sees, an exploitation of the poorer elements of global society for the betterment of the wealthy shareholders of multi-corporationalism whatever their country of origin - and many of them will be beyond the EU. Think Abramovich, think Murdoch. They live and do where they please.

Personally, I think a vote for 'leave' in many people, will have recognised this. Again, that is not racism, though I acknowledge the thick idiots who hate people will probably have voted for 'leave'. They're like sex-offenders and potential terrorists - they're there, but its a tiny minority.

Most 'leavers' were likely a mix of the 'getting on' - "oh, I wish it was like it used to be", the leftist intellectuals (their views above), Those who deplore anti-democratism, and a fair few anti-Cameron/ Osborne for a number of reasons.

I can see the markets bucking and kicking because that's capitalism - a childish, instantaneous, selfish emanation of human nature at its most basic. Rich people and their whores - politicians, and the ridiculous glitterati, are all screaming bitterly. But ultimately, the rich people's sense of survival will reset - VW, Audi, BMW, Fiat, SEAT, and that whole French agricultural set up will bring pressure to bear on the silly, unelected posturings of Brussels and bloody well 'influence' them.

I don't know. All I can do is speculate. But I think that it's 50/50 that article 50 will be triggered and, if it does, we've 2 years of compromise to wade through.

Last thought, would you trust BoBo and Grave to arrange it? Oh fuck NO.
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28 June 2016 21:00 Post ID: #472435 - in reply to #472434
Harry's Boy - 28/6/2016 20:52

As I said a few thousand pages ago, the whole lies and conjecture sickened me deeply.

As the dust settles though, I'm beginning to see that the status quo,as I first thought, will win out. Lets face it. The EU had become an undemocratic mechanism for maintaining the wealth where it was and giving those elitists their mobile, flexible and very cheap labour force, crossing borders and living almost dormitory style existences, picking up minimum wages in a desperate hope of bettering themselves.

Recognising that is not racism. It is, as Corbyn sees, an exploitation of the poorer elements of global society for the betterment of the wealthy shareholders of multi-corporationalism whatever their country of origin - and many of them will be beyond the EU. Think Abramovich, think Murdoch. They live and do where they please.

Personally, I think a vote for 'leave' in many people, will have recognised this. Again, that is not racism, though I acknowledge the thick idiots who hate people will probably have voted for 'leave'. They're like sex-offenders and potential terrorists - they're there, but its a tiny minority.

Most 'leavers' were likely a mix of the 'getting on' - "oh, I wish it was like it used to be", the leftist intellectuals (their views above), Those who deplore anti-democratism, and a fair few anti-Cameron/ Osborne for a number of reasons.

I can see the markets bucking and kicking because that's capitalism - a childish, instantaneous, selfish emanation of human nature at its most basic. Rich people and their whores - politicians, and the ridiculous glitterati, are all screaming bitterly. But ultimately, the rich people's sense of survival will reset - VW, Audi, BMW, Fiat, SEAT, and that whole French agricultural set up will bring pressure to bear on the silly, unelected posturings of Brussels and bloody well 'influence' them.

I don't know. All I can do is speculate. But I think that it's 50/50 that article 50 will be triggered and, if it does, we've 2 years of compromise to wade through.

Last thought, would you trust BoBo and Grave to arrange it? Oh fuck NO.


Good post and as an addition, there will have been many MP's or people in the know who would have been aware of the minority views but have allowed them to fester or add fuel to.

There's no side blameless in all this and as I mentioned umpteen pages ago, it was a vote that had no right decision in really due to the complexity of it all.

As it is and as ive said earlier on, the fact that there is a hell of a lot of fall out over this must surely mean that some powers that be aren't happy with the result and that's good enough for me. There's still a chance to rebuild the country into something better once the dust settles and that includes all races and religion, as long as it's not the main emphasis like the PC world we've been living in these past 15 - 20 years to point out.
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28 June 2016 23:28 Post ID: #472438 - in reply to #472345
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Officemonkey - 27/6/2016 21:02

Seriously though. I'm not getting involved between a local doorman and a member of staff. That's for the manager to deal with and I live in the area. Not worth the hassle and I need to also be squeaky clean now if i want any chance of getting a job within law.


You, the big anti racist decided to leave it to somebody else to deal with. Dress it up however you like, but you put your own self interest first, and decided to leave somebody else to deal with it all. You're a little gobshite. You say that everyone who voted leave is somehow guilty of assisting the racists. You say they are selfishly putting their own interests over that of your kid. Here you are doing exactly the same thing. I don't expect you to see the irony in that. Your lack of self awareness is alarming.

There are plenty of jobs for good solicitors. I'd look a little closer to home when you begin wondering why nobody will take you on. You are as thick as shite to put it as clearly as I can. Your setting up of straw man arguments, which you hilariously struggle to demolish once you do so... it's hilarious man. Let me know if you ever make it into court to represent anyone, I'd love to see it. You've seen "My Cousin Vinny" I expect. Imagine that, with half the class, and none of the humour.

Keep fighting those zenophobes though, by doing absolutely fuck all about it.
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29 June 2016 00:09 Post ID: #472439 - in reply to #471037
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Give it up man, you're an 50 odd year old bloke who hasn't worked a day in the last 10 years (if not more) and is unlikely to ever work again because you're a two-bit crook. Please don't be offended that I couldn't give two hoots what you think of me but thanks for the concern. :)

But yes, I tend not to pick fights with doorman. It's sensible really.



Edited by Officemonkey 29/6/2016 01:52
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29 June 2016 00:18 Post ID: #472440 - in reply to #471037
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Meanwhile, back on planet earth. Hate crime since Brexit has gone up by 57%. Bravo.

In relation to Harry's post. You mention at the end about wade through and seeing what we can negotiate. I think Farage has made damn sure today that any negotiations will be a lot tougher now. He just couldn't help himself.

Edited by Officemonkey 29/6/2016 00:21
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29 June 2016 00:23 Post ID: #472441 - in reply to #472296
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Just wanted to say - brilliant post Whoppy, just clicked reply instead of post so it's not quoted.- couple of pages back

Edited by carlosvendetta 29/6/2016 00:26
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29 June 2016 00:35 Post ID: #472442 - in reply to #472441
carlosvendetta - 29/6/2016 00:23

Just wanted to say - brilliant post Whoppy, just clicked reply instead of post so it's not quoted.- couple of pages back


Aye it was on looking back. Comically intelligent if I may say so.
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29 June 2016 09:20 Post ID: #472445 - in reply to #472440
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Officemonkey - 29/6/2016 00:18

Meanwhile, back on planet earth. Hate crime since Brexit has gone up by 57%. Bravo.

57% increase? What is the source for that figure Om?
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29 June 2016 11:03 Post ID: #472452 - in reply to #471037
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Credible sources then?

Beyond the headline there is no substance.

Read their definition of hate crime. Could mean anything.

Whilst every sympathy should be afforded to genuine victims.


This hysterical outrage peddled by people who should know better is poison.
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29 June 2016 11:07 Post ID: #472453 - in reply to #471037
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I'm not asking you to fight him, I'm asking why you didn't report him for his behaviour?

As for the idea I haven't worked for 10 years... I've not stopped working in the last 10 years. I'm a self employed musician, I write, I give guitar lessons, I make films, I host events. I'm a director of my own company.

What is it you do again? You're a car delivery boy.

Keep fighting zenophobia though eh. I've forgotten more about fighting racism than you'll ever know. Try standing toe to toe with the C18 crew. I wouldn't expect you to know anything about it though, as you are only brave when it's over the internet. IN real life you don't even have the balls to report a doorman.

Keep 'em coming chinny.
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29 June 2016 11:10 Post ID: #472454 - in reply to #472452
Pellet - 29/6/2016 11:03

Credible sources then?

Beyond the headline there is no substance.

Read their definition of hate crime. Could mean anything.

Whilst every sympathy should be afforded to genuine victims.


This hysterical outrage peddled by people who should know better is poison.


That's my way of thinking along with the conspiracy stuff because the media for all the good they do, are also used as a dangerous propaganda weapon to suit certain agendas.

It's becoming harder to take anything serious or know for certain what is or isn't the real story from any news channel now and we say North Korea is bad.
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29 June 2016 11:34 Post ID: #472457 - in reply to #471037
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The hate crime sources are as reliable as the floods of immigrants sources.

Why people are prepared to believe one and not the other is really what we should be talking about.
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29 June 2016 11:37 Post ID: #472458 - in reply to #471037
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National Police Chief's Council is a pretty reputable source if you ask me.
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29 June 2016 11:40 Post ID: #472459 - in reply to #472457
PieMag - 29/6/2016 11:34

The hate crime sources are as reliable as the floods of immigrants sources.

Why people are prepared to believe one and not the other is really what we should be talking about.


The fact it isn't just shows up the lack of intelligence in the country as a whole although the media is doing it's best to corrupt people's way of thinking.

The mentality in this country is not to focus on where something has been but more on the fabricated version as to where it is going.

Ask nee questions but believe the lying answers anyway.
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29 June 2016 11:48 Post ID: #472460 - in reply to #471037
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Non-stop work for 10 years. You keep telling yourself that. You used to play online poker as a wage whilst claiming the dole. You bragged about that on the old rivals board. But if you were such a successful business man and writer etc you wouldn't have wound up in jail for being a two-bit crook. Don't make us laugh, you're a fantasist. Teaching a few kids guitar of a night time doesn't qualify as a job.

As for delivering cars. It's a pretty good gig driving Lambos, R8s and Aston Martins etc whilst at uni.

As for the doorman situation. For one last time, the manger was alerted and dealing with it. Absolutely no need for me to get in involved in s situation that was under control. I forget that we're not all big hard lads like you who wade into situations that could result in fights. Ps, you don't and never have.

Edited by Officemonkey 29/6/2016 11:49
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29 June 2016 12:14 Post ID: #472463 - in reply to #472458
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Officemonkey - 29/6/2016 11:37

National Police Chief's Council is a pretty reputable source if you ask me.


Without wanting to come across as a paranoid conspiracy theorist they are controlled by the same arm that steers the media om.



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29 June 2016 12:19 Post ID: #472464 - in reply to #471037
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That then comes down to who on earth do you believe then. If we all thought like this we would indeed become paranoid.

The media wanted us out so for them to print this doesn't make sense. Unless paranoid of course.
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29 June 2016 12:25 Post ID: #472465 - in reply to #472464
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Didn't you get fetched up for drink driving OM?

I'd say that your crime was potentially more harmful than mine.

I play poker too, forgot about that. I haven't claimed dole in years, so I must be doing something right.

Good job you didn't lose your licence eh, you'd not have this fantasy job you have now.

Puzzling to me how anyone with a drink driving conviction on their record gets a job delivering supercars mind ..

Hmmmm ... rubs chin.

Keep 'em coming chinny.



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29 June 2016 12:33 Post ID: #472467 - in reply to #471037
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Haha, you're deluded. I did indeed lose my licence back when I was 21. I put it down to being young and daft. 10 years on I dare say I've grown up somewhat. God knows what your excuse is. A grown man who is so successful that he turns to crime because his dole doesn't pay enough.

You make out the the way you go on that you're some handsome chap with a successful career. Haha.

However, I can prove that I work for the car company too and that I was down at RAF Elvington on Saturday. But of course you'll say you don't want proof because that doesn't fit your childish agenda. You're laughable man. A grown man going on like this.

Edited by Officemonkey 29/6/2016 12:44
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29 June 2016 12:50 Post ID: #472469 - in reply to #471037
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You were 21, and that excuses it?

If you'd killed somebody would they be any less dead because you were only 21?

I don't defend myself over the crimes I committed, and I went to prison as a result. I accepted full responsibility for my crimes, and made no excuses for them. I wasn't "on the dole" at the time of the offences either, I was in employment.

Didn't you get sacked from Rosie's for dipping into the till?

Didn't you used to espouse racist views?

Tell the truth now chinny.

P.S. Handsome chap? I don't tell myself that, I'm told it by others. I recognise that anyone who doesn't look like a cross between Bruce Forsyth and The Elephant Man will come across as impossibly suave and debonair to you.

Get over it, lots of people manage to live with facial disfigurements without turning into a cunt about it.

Keep 'em coming chinny.



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29 June 2016 12:56 Post ID: #472470 - in reply to #471037
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Haha, you're deluded man. A complete failure too. But all of the above is incorrect but quite frankly I'm above squabbling with an old crook who has achieved nothing in life, so I'll leave you there. Take care, but please note, my heart is breaking.
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29 June 2016 13:02 Post ID: #472471 - in reply to #471037
Not sure who saw the bloke yesterday who covered his face when Farage was talking in the Euro Parliament place. Anyway, for what it's worth, here is his account of that and the whole thing.




https://ec.europa.eu/commission/2014-2019/andriukaitis/blog/thoughts...
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29 June 2016 13:15 Post ID: #472472 - in reply to #472464
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Officemonkey - 29/6/2016 12:19

That then comes down to who on earth do you believe then. If we all thought like this we would indeed become paranoid.

The media wanted us out so for them to print this doesn't make sense. Unless paranoid of course.


Two example off the top of my head of how the media and establishment work hand in hand while presenting opposite sides of a story are Hillsborough and the disappearance of Madeleine Mccann.

Even their reporting of Farage is designed to galvanise the feeble minded into supporting him,undoubtedly he gained many more cult members yesterday who would have viewed his performance as defiant as opposed to petty.

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29 June 2016 13:22 Post ID: #472474 - in reply to #471037
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Aye, quite scary really if you look at it like that.
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29 June 2016 13:24 Post ID: #472475 - in reply to #471037
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Even their reporting of Farage is designed to galvanise the feeble minded into supporting him,undoubtedly he gained many more cult members yesterday who would have viewed his performance as defiant as opposed to petty.

Surely does that not depend on which side of the fence you sit ? Yes some may see at as petty others may not.
Isnt one mans terrorist another mans freedom fighter?
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29 June 2016 13:39 Post ID: #472477 - in reply to #471037
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I agree Pyrry,but the side of the fence people sit on should not be influenced by lies.

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29 June 2016 13:54 Post ID: #472478 - in reply to #472477
PieMag - 29/6/2016 13:39

I agree Pyrry,but the side of the fence people sit on should not be influenced by lies.



or the side that people have been chosen to want confused further by the fence moving.
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29 June 2016 13:55 Post ID: #472479 - in reply to #472474
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Officemonkey - 29/6/2016 13:22

Aye, quite scary really if you look at it like that.


Yep,

I'm not saying the 57% increase in hate crime is a lie mind,
just i'd have been more trusting of the NPPC if they had made clear and visible statements regarding the hate spouted before and during the referendum by Farage Gove and co.

Why they said nowt then raises my suspicions about their motives now. .

Ultimately prevention is better than cure.


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29 June 2016 13:57 Post ID: #472480 - in reply to #472478
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Toon_NoMatterWot - 29/6/2016 13:54

PieMag - 29/6/2016 13:39

I agree Pyrry,but the side of the fence people sit on should not be influenced by lies.



or the side that people have been chosen to want confused further by the fence moving.


You've confused me now.
I think i'll just sit on that fence for a while
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29 June 2016 14:13 Post ID: #472481 - in reply to #472480
PieMag - 29/6/2016 13:57

Toon_NoMatterWot - 29/6/2016 13:54

PieMag - 29/6/2016 13:39

I agree Pyrry,but the side of the fence people sit on should not be influenced by lies.



or the side that people have been chosen to want confused further by the fence moving.


You've confused me now.
I think i'll just sit on that fence for a while :17:


It's the best place to sit. Especially in this subject.
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29 June 2016 14:30 Post ID: #472482 - in reply to #472463
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Officemonkey - 29/6/2016 11:37

National Police Chief's Council is a pretty reputable source if you ask me.


I say the devil is in the detail. Not just statistics. The ambiguous nature of the definition of hate crime enables any amount of manipulation. Yes even by those honest custodians of the law.
Not like they have ever distorted fact to meet their and their political masters Agenda no no no siree....oh hold on.


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