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22 June 2016 14:42 Post ID: #472077 - in reply to #471037
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You aren't on any list, and I'm not "having a go".

I'm stating that which I believe to be the truth.

When did you stop being a racist then?

You've certainly been one in the time I've known you.

You can claim otherwise, but you know the truth, and so do I.

This new act you've picked up isn't fooling anyone, certainly not me.

You spout the same anti racist cliches as you spouted when you used to be openly racist.
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22 June 2016 15:22 Post ID: #472079 - in reply to #471037
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Clearly. It's not healthy for a man of your age to be going on like this.

Edited by Officemonkey 22/6/2016 19:46
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22 June 2016 15:24 Post ID: #472080 - in reply to #471996
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PieMag - 19/6/2016 22:31

BlackBob - 19/6/2016 21:31

Seen as it's a linky thread and just to level the balance somewhat.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gILTIDr4Ra8


A video titled
Brexit: Facts Not Fear

59% of our laws are made in the EU, yet he fails to name one

On 72 occasions Britain has opposed new EU laws and been defeated 72 times.

Again which ones ?


Very few facts but loads of emotive claptrap.



Ruth Davidson gave two facts in a live debate last night that should make you feel embarrassed for describing the link to that video as levelling the balance.

1. The independent house of commons library has estimated that 13% of our laws come from Europe.

2. In the last 5year parliamentary term 4 of 121 bills came from Europe.

Working class people peddling tory lies, as well as obviously believing debate is something a west indian has on a lunch break.

Shame.
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22 June 2016 15:36 Post ID: #472081 - in reply to #471037
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Looks like this leaving Europe lark isnt such a bad idea.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/682339/Brexit-spreads-across-Eu...

seems a lot of countries believe the EU is getting a bit to big for its boots.
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22 June 2016 15:53 Post ID: #472082 - in reply to #472081
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Italy’s anti-establishment 5-Star movement has called for a referendum on whether to keep the Euro.

National Front party leader Marine Le Pen promised France their own referendum

The leader of the far-right Danish People’s Party says Denmark should follow Britain’s lead and hold a referendum on its membership.

Fuck me talk about stretching the truth
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22 June 2016 17:39 Post ID: #472083 - in reply to #472082
I'm voting remain . I'm no fan of how either campaign has been run or the personalities involved but after a long period of thought and reading as much as I can on it (and the various arguments on here) it would appear that remain will be of most benefit to myself and those closest to me.
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22 June 2016 20:31 Post ID: #472084 - in reply to #471037
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as offski!
Cameron lied saying the Turks wont be in this side 0f 3000.
they'll be here this side of 2020 then your Muslim precedence sweeps west.
They are feckin animals and comming our way if the remain folk win.


Edited by BlackBob 22/6/2016 20:37
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22 June 2016 20:45 Post ID: #472085 - in reply to #471037
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There's absolutely zero chance of Turkey getting in the EU. They don't hit even 10% of the requirements then every member state has the power of veto. There's no way Cyprus will allow that for starters.
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22 June 2016 20:55 Post ID: #472086 - in reply to #471037
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The EU promised Turkey faster membership talks as an incentive to stop migrants reaching Europe and to take back thousands more.

It has also offered visa-free travel for Turkish citizens and up to 6 billion euros ($6.8 billion) for Syrian refugees sheltering in Turkey
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22 June 2016 21:08 Post ID: #472087 - in reply to #471037
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You only needed to watch newsnight last night for proof of what an out and out liar Cameron is over turkey- one way or the other he is lying to someone. In my view - it's us. If you didn't see it - here it is

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kjNnpWy-vXI

Source:BBC2 Newsnight 21/06/2016 - example how to reference correctly
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22 June 2016 21:09 Post ID: #472088 - in reply to #472085
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Officemonkey - 22/6/2016 20:45

There's absolutely zero chance of Turkey getting in the EU. They don't hit even 10% of the requirements then every member state has the power of veto. There's no way Cyprus will allow that for starters.


If so why didn't Cam pledge his veto now to the leave brigade.simple really he's a liar and has no shout over the water whatsoever.
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22 June 2016 21:12 Post ID: #472089 - in reply to #471037
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I'm done with it all both sides have let themselves down badly regards the whole issue.
then again they are all lying bastads riding the gravy train of life on the back of the working man.
i'm out along with the entire extended family and a few multi millionare land owners iv'e come to know over the years.
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22 June 2016 22:00 Post ID: #472090 - in reply to #471037
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Why does he need to veto it? Both him and Boris support the application for whatever reason. However, that is wholly irrelevant as the majority of us, including Cameron won't even be alive by the time they got the relevant procedures in place, let alone him still being PM. That is a decision for whoever is in power at the time. Again, wholly irrelevant though as Cyprus won't allow it and the other 27 member states have the chance to veto it too.
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22 June 2016 22:00 Post ID: #472091 - in reply to #472089
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Cameron lied,Gove lied,Farage lied,Osbourne lied and blond Boris lied.

For fucks sake they have all lied.

They are all right wing tossers who do not give a shit about places like Newcastle or people like yourselves.
They would not want their children to mix or marry any of you or your kids.

Complaining exclusively about Cameron's lies makes you all sound mental.

Does anyone not cringe at Gove's lies about how his father's business suffered because of the EU ?
What about posh Nigel or even posher Boris pretending they are one of us ?

Enjoy supporting the far right as opposed to the centre right,either way none of the bastards will need you once you've given them what they want and the only way they will communicate with you once this farce is over will be through the medium of extortionate bills courtesy of your local post person.

As for the dreamers who insist we can vote them out,fuck off and die you xenophobic tory sell out's
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22 June 2016 22:17 Post ID: #472092 - in reply to #471037
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are you the Messiah or just a naughty boy?
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22 June 2016 22:17 Post ID: #472093 - in reply to #471037
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Pray give us all guidance wise one!
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22 June 2016 22:21 Post ID: #472094 - in reply to #472093
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BlackBob - 22/6/2016 22:17

Pray give us all guidance wise one!


I just have done,but as further punishment for not getting the message, 5 hail marys and a our father will suffice.
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22 June 2016 22:27 Post ID: #472095 - in reply to #471037
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lol!
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22 June 2016 22:27 Post ID: #472096 - in reply to #471037
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22 June 2016 22:37 Post ID: #472097 - in reply to #471037
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Cameron caught out lying about staying in the New "reformed EU" is total Rubbish , The unelected commissioner of the EU and the French President has publicly said today Britain will get no further reforms other the ones he was allowed to have 2 months ago by the EU and the voters need to know this, not something Cameron wanted us to hear or told the British about.
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22 June 2016 22:37 Post ID: #472098 - in reply to #471037
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I don't see it as a left wing; centre-right or extreme right issue. I see it as a credibility issue. None of the other "liars" are the prime minister. Here we have a situation where the prime minister is either lying to this country or he is lying to another country. The amount of money this country is pumping into funding the euro expansion project, in particular in promoting Turkey's accession, would suggest it's the former.
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22 June 2016 22:41 Post ID: #472099 - in reply to #471037
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1. The independent house of commons library has estimated that 13% of our laws come from Europe.

Im sure the expert on the news earlier on stated for a fact the figure was in between 13% and 59% id hazard a guess and say its far higher than 13%. He was putting right some of the lies by both sides.

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22 June 2016 22:44 Post ID: #472100 - in reply to #472098
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Edited by billybobcat 22/6/2016 22:50
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22 June 2016 22:48 Post ID: #472101 - in reply to #471037
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4 out of 121 bills passed over a 5 year period is a more accurate stat that cannot be manipulated to suit either side billy.

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22 June 2016 22:51 Post ID: #472102 - in reply to #472097
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Tomfoolery - 22/6/2016 22:37

Cameron caught out lying about staying in the New "reformed EU" is total Rubbish , The unelected commissioner of the EU and the French President has publicly said today Britain will get no further reforms other the ones he was allowed to have 2 months ago by the EU and the voters need to know this, not something Cameron wanted us to hear or told the British about.


Just think if it wasn't for the UK and all of the brave people who died helping their country out those French surrender monkeys could be speaking German, the ungrateful cunts.
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22 June 2016 23:02 Post ID: #472103 - in reply to #472098
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Finn_the_Dog - 22/6/2016 22:37

None of the other "liars" are the prime minister. Here we have a situation where the prime minister is either lying to this country or he is lying to another country.


If this referendum ends in success for the leave campaign Finn,Boris will be the leader and furthermore he would have achieved this on the back of a huge series of lies.

Here's one of the corkers

http://www.itv.com/news/2016-06-19/video-emerges-of-boris-johnson-s...
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22 June 2016 23:07 Post ID: #472104 - in reply to #471037
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Piemag i couldn't give a shit who is PM this opportunity to sack the EU off is once in a lifetime, these people are unelected yet dictate what can and can't be done in Europe.

Don't you think Cameron has done enough damage to the Tory cunts to make sure they don't get back in the next time. Fair enough Labour will have to get shot of that loony cunt Corbyn for Labour to win.
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22 June 2016 23:29 Post ID: #472105 - in reply to #471037
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Well I think that is fairly consistent Piemag to be fair. I think most would agree, ideally, one would want to stay in the single market. This is what the population was (duped into in my opinion) voting on in 1975. Is he not being cute here? I thnk most on the brexit side would prefer to have access to the single market - it's political European Union and all that entails that is the problem.

Looking at the polls on newsnight tonight as I type this, it looks like a remain victory. I expect a 55-57/45-43 split.

One of the risks that hadn't been touched on as I see it will be what happens in the future - not just in Europe but in this country. I highlighted the risks as I saw it on the other thread as far as Europe was concerned such as unchecked migration; the strain it causes on communities and already over-stretched public services; the exposure to the perpetually failing euro and bail outs (it is naive to think just because the UK isn't in the eurozone it won't have to contribute - it has happened before and last time by stealth - we were "taxed" a further £1B because we had a comparatively over-performing economy- meekly surrendered in full by this pathetic government earlier this year).

I will watch with interest as Europe tries to square the circle regarding listening to the people of Europe who want to see less integration with the need for more integration politically and fiscally in order to try to improve the efficacy of the Euro itself whilst maintaining the project of a United States of Europe (which, in reality it must be, otherwise the euro is doomed to failure needing more and more bailouts).

But the risk that hasn't been mentioned is preventing an overwhelming number of people in this country - angry that they can't get their kids into the school they want; angry that they perceive their jobs to be taken by immigrant job locusts; angry at the wage suppression that causes as the rich get richer and their living standards deteriorate; angry that they cant get in to see their doctor and seeing the NHS they cherish and pay for suffer; angry that they can't progress and get on the housing ladder - running into the arms of more far right activists and parties because they don't think anyone is listening to them or care. I think that is a concern and it's happening all over Europe now.

Edited by Finn_the_Dog 22/6/2016 23:36
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22 June 2016 23:32 Post ID: #472106 - in reply to #471037
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3655236/Nailed-four-big-EU-...
N-T-spark-trade-war-say-Germans-Brussels-NOT-reform-open-borders-deportation-jobless-EU-migrants-myth.html
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22 June 2016 23:42 Post ID: #472107 - in reply to #472104
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billybobcat - 22/6/2016 23:07

Piemag i couldn't give a shit who is PM this opportunity to sack the EU off is once in a lifetime, these people are unelected yet dictate what can and can't be done in Europe.

Don't you think Cameron has done enough damage to the Tory cunts to make sure they don't get back in the next time. Fair enough Labour will have to get shot of that loony cunt Corbyn for Labour to win.


Not a chance billy,remember that book someone recommended on here a while back

"The Establishment: And how they get away with it" ?

Read the part if you get a chance about how prosperous we were in the 70's then listen to the modern day working class person slagging of socialism the unions and taxes.

Ask most people about the last labour government and they will tell you they fucked the economy.
Nowt to do with bankers and a worldwide financial crisis.

Of course I could be wrong,but i've lost faith in the electorate and will not be holding my breath and fully expect Boris to be at the helm in the not too distant future,then you will wish that the EU were making the laws.

I will personally accept whichever way the vote goes tomorrow ,but my fingers are crossed that it will be remain victory.

The EU are far from perfect,but tories...........
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22 June 2016 23:47 Post ID: #472109 - in reply to #471037
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I wonder if Boris realises that we'll still have to have free movement of people if we remain in the single market and that we'll still have to pay whilst having no say at the table.
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22 June 2016 23:50 Post ID: #472110 - in reply to #471037
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I just cant see the Tories winning again mate they have lied too many times even to the die-hard Tory voter. I cant see Corbyn as leader for much longer he is as weak as Cameron is.
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22 June 2016 23:53 Post ID: #472111 - in reply to #471037
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That - incredibly by your standard - is a fair point (in part) as it would undoubtedly be a stipulation of the EU that to remain in the single market you would have to accept freedom of movement of people. To want to stay in the single market but not be part of the trappings (or, as I put it, shit) that goes with it would be pie in the sky. To that extent Boris is talking about a utopia in the link posted by Piemag.

Slight edit having re-read your post.

Edited by Finn_the_Dog 22/6/2016 23:58
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22 June 2016 23:54 Post ID: #472112 - in reply to #472105
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I agree with most of what you posted Finn,(bloody hell you have writing stamina)

I just happen to think that the social hardship people are suffering is down to government policy not immigration.

Blair ultimately proved himself to be a twat,but his party's development of Newcastle,Liverpool and other northern cities is never going to happen under cameron and even less likely with Boris at the helm.

There is a class war in progress and they are running rings round us,same divide and rule tactic that has worked for hundreds of years.
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23 June 2016 00:03 Post ID: #472114 - in reply to #471037
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Ha! Ha! (Stamina waning somewhat!) Well - anyway you slice it - interesting and worrying times. I agree entirely as a public sector employee I can see the damage that is being done first hand by the government's idealistic assault on services. But I remain worried people will be driven into the arms of extremist groups - of either persuasion - the right in Holland; Denmark; France and Austria - the left in Greece and Spain and that can only lead to division and unrest.
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23 June 2016 00:16 Post ID: #472115 - in reply to #472114
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Finn_the_Dog - 23/6/2016 00:03

I remain worried people will be driven into the arms of extremist groups - of either persuasion - the right in Holland; Denmark; France and Austria - the left in Greece and Spain and that can only lead to division and unrest.


Exactly my point mate and despite BB's assertions that the French and Germans are cunts I believe the only way to stop what is essentially policies that encourage modern day slavery is to fight alongside them.

If the right manage to isolate us from the rest of Europe we have far less chance of success,sadly the UK does not appear to have the appetite for a fight.
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23 June 2016 00:25 Post ID: #472117 - in reply to #471037
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A bit like Newcastle fans perhaps!

I see Europe and its machinations as a cause of that whereas you have more hope in them neutralising the extremists? Maybe we are 2 sides of the same coin cos clearly we have the same misgivings and worries whichever way you approach it.

Anyways - good to chat. I think the race is won as far as tomorrow is concerned but, like you I'll still keep my fingers crossed albeit for a different result!

Good night to you and to all.

Edited by Finn_the_Dog 23/6/2016 00:32
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23 June 2016 00:32 Post ID: #472119 - in reply to #471037
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I've wobbled a few times during the campaign. In and out like a fiddlers elbow. However, the thing that swayed it for me was the sight of Bob Gandalf on his yacht ordering people stop in the EU. A fucking failed pop star, who catapulted himself into the limelight with his charity crusade. Obscenely rich on the back of it now. Him, that cunt, telling fisherman about the ins and outs of fishing. From the deck of his yacht.

I'm prepared for the country to fall into ruin if it shuts that fucker up.
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23 June 2016 00:37 Post ID: #472121 - in reply to #471037
Ive wobbled these past couple of days as well with me converted to remaining last night before waking up back in the out camp.

Still think there's no winners to be had in this whole thing but just as a parting quote before I head off to nod-land, Switzerland aren't in the EU but they're up there as one of the richest in the world with near enough the best wages paid per head. Like Iceland as well, who aren't in the EU as far as im aware, they both play in Euro 2016, so aren't affected in other ways.
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23 June 2016 00:49 Post ID: #472123 - in reply to #472119
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OldLeazes - 23/6/2016 00:32

the thing that swayed it for me was the sight of Bob Gandalf on his yacht ordering people stop in the EU.


I'll bet it was a scruffy yacht as well.
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