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16 August 2015 01:57 Post ID: #462037
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Any thoughts?
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16 August 2015 08:54 Post ID: #462044 - in reply to #462037
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My instinct is a good man but sadly unelectable in the current climate
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16 August 2015 10:03 Post ID: #462045 - in reply to #462037
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The others are shitting themselves in case he wins. if it makes people like Blair squirm if he won i say good luck to the bloke.
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16 August 2015 10:30 Post ID: #462049 - in reply to #462037
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He will win. A genuinely decent bloke running a major party, that will be a first in my lifetime. Given the extra airtime he will receive once party leader he might just sway middle-england, especially if the economy crocks again.
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16 August 2015 10:55 Post ID: #462051 - in reply to #462037
On the whole I like him, though there are some things in his past that I'm not fussed about (links to Sinn Fein and Hamas are very concerning). He does seem to be a man of principle and that's an increasingly rare thing in the current political climate. Nationally we've seen a rise in right wing politics and Conservatism (as well as a dissatisfaction with the mainstream parties as proven by the rise of UKIP, The Greens and SNP) so it tends to follow that those that find that alien will lean further to the left.

People now generally are better informed with the internet and the days of the spin doctored homogenised news sources of Blair era are over for the Labour party though the bulk of their MPs are in that mold . They don't give a monkey's about core Labour values and are almost repulsed by what their own party members are telling them, that change is needed and wanted and that Labour must return to its working class roots and not be about middle England.

The nanny state "you must take your medicine" approach is still trotted out by several of the power brokers within the party who fail to understand the reason Corbyn has captured the imagination is people respect that he believes in something. That he's not just after power for powers sake and he seems to speak to the public in language we understand rather than at us .

I suspect Corbyn may prove to be a bridge for the Labour party if he is elected leader (much like John Smith and his unfortunate death was for Blair). That the behind the scenes movers and shakers will rather than be fearful of Corbyn tactics slowly over time embrace some of them and adapt them into the party's message . Then a subsequent leader will unify Labour once more and become Prime Minister.

If Corbyn does indeed make a fist of being Labour leader and then tries to become PM I simply don't think he can do so without significantly compromising his philosophies or a total reform of the Labour party. Something that will cause a public and media backlash and a loss of popularity in regards to the former and a further leadership challenge in 2 years time or so for the latter.


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18 August 2015 19:20 Post ID: #462161 - in reply to #462037
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Spot on Keggy.
The establishment & particularly the Bliarites in the labour party are all wetting themselves because he has been able to air his anti-austerity views in the mainstream media,even aunty beeb are covering his views & the public are buying it,good to see so many youngens getting active.
Here's hoping he wins & shakes the currant political landscape to the core.
Though he has spoken to Hamas & Sinn Fein it's incomparable to the way successive governments & arms dealers have bedded the Saudi royals & all the dire consequenses that has brought us.
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18 August 2015 19:36 Post ID: #462162 - in reply to #462037
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.. up for a bit of nationalisation and a bit of leftist politics .. but he can fook off we are keeping our nuclear capability and staying in NATO ..
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18 August 2015 20:11 Post ID: #462165 - in reply to #462037
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He reminds me of Ken Livingstone
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18 August 2015 21:01 Post ID: #462168 - in reply to #462037
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If he gets elected he will be the final nail in labours coffin.
Too many people in this country don't look at policies and are more impressed with photogenic slick politicians.
The Media power of Rupert Murdoch and his like run this country ,with idiots voting for Tories because they own their own house and brave hearts over the border the Labour Party is bolloxed.
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18 August 2015 22:06 Post ID: #462170 - in reply to #462037
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He will ensure that the Tories stay in power that's for sure.
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18 August 2015 23:19 Post ID: #462172 - in reply to #462037
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& the alternative is that this small isle of ours plunges further to the right with the eton boys,there's a prospect,as for blares analogy of the labour party being on the precipice of a cliff if he gets elected,the parties already fell over & is on its last breath,kickin & screamin in the sand,put any of the other 3 in & we might not see another labour government in the next 10 years,boy george or boris at the helm alongside fatty in 2020,time for a mind shift for the electorate & the sheep.
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19 August 2015 18:42 Post ID: #462188 - in reply to #462037
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It's never going to happen Rytoon.

The tories have managed to convince too many of our working class brothers that trade unions are far worse than greedy bosses.

The Germans have the most powerful economy in Europe,and surprise surprise,very powerful Unions.


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19 August 2015 19:28 Post ID: #462193 - in reply to #462037
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I can't understand that he hasn't made a move earlier? It's akin to me working on the shop floor for 33 years and then putting in for the gaffers job when I'm 66. Mind the Labour Party in my constituency had a policy of 'female only' candidate at the last election. Of course it was a safe seat for Labour and she was voted in but without my vote. Let the best person stand. Just as well for Jeremy they didn't have that policy in Islington North.
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19 August 2015 19:43 Post ID: #462199 - in reply to #462037
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The bookies are paying out so it must be a done deal.
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21 August 2015 00:28 Post ID: #462232 - in reply to #462037
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I didn't vote labour last time round PieMag,voted Green.
The working men/women need a viable voice to shift this vile regime.Meanwhile the country sings to cilla's death,national treasure,a tory who sang a few shit tunes.
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21 August 2015 12:19 Post ID: #462256 - in reply to #462232
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Rytoon - 21/8/2015 00:28

I didn't vote labour last time round PieMag,voted Green.
The working men/women need a viable voice to shift this vile regime.Meanwhile the country sings to cilla's death,national treasure,a tory who sang a few shit tunes.
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21 August 2015 15:43 Post ID: #462270 - in reply to #462037
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Agree Rytoon did you see the fuckers throwing flowers on the hearse like she was princess fucking diana. Pathetic cunts, the vast majority of them thought she was a cunt and a turncoat to her working class roots, who only put on her scouse accent when the cameras were rolling.
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21 August 2015 16:03 Post ID: #462272 - in reply to #462037
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Corbyn has not been anointed by the media moguls so he may well win the leadership but he will never get any power, and nailed on the New Labour / champagne socialists will find a way of getting rid of him. One of the big regrets in my life is that i fell for the Blair con trick, in the desperation to get rid of Thatchers legacy we elected a fucking tory in disguise.
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21 August 2015 16:33 Post ID: #462276 - in reply to #462037
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I would much rather lose fighting for my principles than sell my soul like the Lib Dems did to get five minutes of fame. If the electorate doesn't believe in equality, community, family, the welfare state then we've gone to hell in a hand cart. We are going to end up like that beacon of corruptness the US of A. God forbid it would be time to call it a day in this country and leave for distant shores.
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12 September 2015 20:06 Post ID: #462926 - in reply to #462037
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Get in!
At last we have an opposition worthy of the name & able to kick the fkn tories at every available opportunity.
It's not going to be easy to unite the party but the tide has turned.
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12 September 2015 20:20 Post ID: #462928 - in reply to #462037
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Tom and Jerry in charge. This should be fun
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12 September 2015 21:13 Post ID: #462929 - in reply to #462037
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I've just joined the Labour Party for the first time in my life. The fightback has got to start now. If the Tories get another five years after this term we are fucked. Lets make it sure it doesn't happen - £5.00 pound a month. Just think what you've saved by not giving that fat cockney cunt £500.00 a year who employs slave labour to make his millions, both here and abroad. It's worth it to get rid of wankers like him.
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12 September 2015 21:31 Post ID: #462930 - in reply to #462037
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Were you ever a member of a Trade Union vin ?
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12 September 2015 21:47 Post ID: #462931 - in reply to #462037
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Never been in a job that's needed a trade union. Trained in Accountancy and have been self-employed since 1989. You'll probably have some horror stories, I've heard them from my mates. I was brought up in Brady Square and Sulgrave flats. You might know them looking at your signature.
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12 September 2015 22:09 Post ID: #462932 - in reply to #462037
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Haha vin, then you must know 'Archies' the shop that opened every day and had everything!
Also, you can still see (although faded) BSAB on a wall near the square! (Brady Square Aggro Boys for the younger posters, lol)
I can relate to most situations of employment. Thankfully by being a member of a trade union I've found the difference from the the early 70's to now is unbelievable. Self-employed is a different matter. I don't envy you at all (I've tried it)

Edited by Mcnamee67 12/9/2015 22:28
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12 September 2015 22:24 Post ID: #462933 - in reply to #462037
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I left The Square when I was about five. I used to live in Oxclose Road/Street and left when I was about 5, I think. I must a bit younger than you (believe it or not), STAB ( sulgrave tartan aggro boys) with the tartan troosers and all that carry on. I was a bit too young to join them but I remember them well.
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12 September 2015 23:01 Post ID: #462936 - in reply to #462037
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Small world lads.I worked as a playworker at Glebe adventure playground from 78 to 81.Loved it,some heed the balls but most folk salt of the earth.
Back from the refugee rally this morning in this beautiful city of ours.Newcastle did itself proud today.got the news Corbyn had won it just as we arrived at the civic centre in the piss wet rain,lifted peoples spirits.
Time for the tories to get a kicking.£5 well spent Vin.
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13 September 2015 07:45 Post ID: #462938 - in reply to #462037
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Shocking indictment on the state of our country when a IRA and Hamas supporting communist who openly supported attacks on British troops is the leader of the opposition. Thank fuck the Tories are in power.
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13 September 2015 10:04 Post ID: #462939 - in reply to #462037
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Shocking indictment on the state of our country when a complete arse like Cameron is somehow elected as PM - twice. Corbyn offers a genuine alternative to the cronyism that has polluted British politics for my entire life, be that the Tories or Labour in power. Thank fuck for the alternative, although I think those hoping for a revolution might be a little disappointed. Corbyn's role is to rebuild and re-calibrate Labour back to what it ought to be, and I honestly think he'd be the first to admit that. The only way he'll have a fighting chance of getting elected in five years is by drawing back the vote from the SNP in Scotland - no easy task.
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13 September 2015 10:27 Post ID: #462941 - in reply to #462037
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With the state of the country, and also the world in such a precarious position. Our political parties need to be working for the immediate security of the Nation. A common concensus needs to agreed on these issues before inter party squabbling. I cannot see that in Corbyns appointment. As with most things the answer lives in the common ground not in the left or right wings. He's maybe ten years to late.
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13 September 2015 10:31 Post ID: #462943 - in reply to #462037
He's just a stop gap till the other milliband comes back.
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13 September 2015 10:38 Post ID: #462946 - in reply to #462037
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A genuine alternative?
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13 September 2015 10:50 Post ID: #462947 - in reply to #462037
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Negotiating with terrorist groups yeah that's a good idea back to the appeasment days of Neville Chamberlain, we all know how that ended don't we
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13 September 2015 11:03 Post ID: #462948 - in reply to #462037
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The alternative route of invading Korea, Vietnam, Iraq and Afghanistan has worked a treat, hasn't it.
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13 September 2015 11:25 Post ID: #462949 - in reply to #462037
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Don't remember UK troops ever going to Vietnam like but anyway, this guy wants to bin our nuclear deterrent, quit nato, supports the IRA and a united Ireland, bring IS to the negotiating table( you know those guys who think it's ok to burn people alive, throw homosexuals off roof tops, cut people's heads off, tourture People who don't believe as they do, sell women in to sex slavery) yes those guys, he goes to rally's that support attacks British troops, wants to open the doors to any and all refugees. Yes we all hate Cameron but this guy is not the answer, if he gets in within two years shreria law will be ingrained within English laws and then we are in a world of hurt. I bet your the type of person that thinks 9/11 was faked

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13 September 2015 12:15 Post ID: #462950 - in reply to #462037
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Most of these wars are driven by bigger powers than governments. Leaders of all parties have been in no10 at the start of these conflicts. I am in no position to judge the success as I don't know the agenda or facts.

The least a elected government should do is take responsibility
For any contingency needed to minize the suffering of displaced people's. A properly managed strategy with partners
To ensure security of the host nation aswell. As we cannot get away from the fact that we are at war at home.

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13 September 2015 13:05 Post ID: #462951 - in reply to #462037
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People keep going on about nuclear deterrent big fucking deal everybody knows nobody and i mean nobody in governments around the world would ever use them, as that would be it the whole world would be turned to dirt.

How much is wasted on this nuclear deterrent you might as well spend it on something that will be used not something that will never be used.
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13 September 2015 13:59 Post ID: #462952 - in reply to #462037
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If he gets in we will also send Argentina the keys to the Falkland Islands with a letter of apology
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13 September 2015 15:28 Post ID: #462953 - in reply to #462037
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The Falklands. Over £150m a year to protect, not including the RN bar tabs. Even if they were forcibly invaded - against the will of the residents - it's not as if we'll ever nuke Buenos Aries, Corbyn, Cameron or whomever. There's also the small fact that thanks to technology and the amazing power nowadays of air/sea missiles, even the most determined effort would be slaughtered.

Now let's take a chance and look where else we might need Trident. I think after 70 years of peace Europe isn't a threat to anyone. India/Pakistan/China/MEast - when they've so much invested in this island, utterly no chance. Plus our American cousins will smash the hell out of anyone dumb enough to do so ten times over. That's a key component on NATO policy, of which there's obviously no reason to leave.

In exchange for Trident an amazing amount of good could be done. No least addressing how on earth the NHS is going to cope when their patients life expectancy will be knocking 90, and that's coming up pretty soon.

I doubt he'll be elected to the top job (unless there's another major financial crisis in the next couple of years) but a clearly good man in charge of the opposition? Yeah I'll take that for now.
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13 September 2015 16:43 Post ID: #462956 - in reply to #462037
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He has already publicly stated he would withdraw us from NATO if elected, so we would have no NATO protection and no nuclear deterrent and an armed force that would be reduced in size even further, yes I agree that more money should be pumped into the NHS with life expectancy rising year on year but not at the cost of our security and protection, When Christina de Kirchner, Hezbollah, Gerry Adams and Vladimir Putin welcome a party leader with open arms and warm words, you know not to touch that party with a barge pole. Anyone with an interest in their nation or future can see that.

How else do you think people should take a party leader that shares a platform with terrorist organisations?


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