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17 June 2015 09:37 Post ID: #459949
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17 June 2015 09:45 Post ID: #459952 - in reply to #459949
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I'm less interested than Ashley and Charnley are in the actual football fixtures, they're not important for Newcastle these days, football's just an inconvenience. On first glance we may pick up a point 6 games in against Watford, we may not like.
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17 June 2015 14:04 Post ID: #459956 - in reply to #459949
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I suppose coming towards Xmas it eases up a bit but not much. Very tough fixture list. Really can't see there being many if any soft touches this season.

Also noticed a trend of less and less teams being there that play hoof ball..
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17 June 2015 14:33 Post ID: #459958 - in reply to #459949
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Funny really. The shitter we get, the less easy points there are. I wonder if there's any correlation?
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17 June 2015 15:33 Post ID: #459959 - in reply to #459949
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Sky have SDU at 4/1 for relegation already!
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17 June 2015 16:18 Post ID: #459966 - in reply to #459949
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Tough start and our squad needs urgently bolstering. Can't. See many points in first Cole of months
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17 June 2015 22:33 Post ID: #459986 - in reply to #459949
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Just a quick glance at the fixtures and even being optimistic I think about 39 points is the max we'll get.

Could easily be about 10 less. We're in trouble this season even before a ball is kicked
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17 June 2015 22:38 Post ID: #459987 - in reply to #459949
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We will be bottom by the end of September and stay there unless we get 9 players at least.
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17 June 2015 22:50 Post ID: #459988 - in reply to #459949
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Which ain't gonna happen. Besides, very few teams do well bringing that amount of new faces in. I'd be happy with 5 solid players that are going in as the man for their position. But that's the minimum we need.
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17 June 2015 22:50 Post ID: #459989 - in reply to #459949
Our squad is nowhere near as bad as the bumbling Pardew and co had them set up.

As it stands and with no extra additions, we'd finish around mid table.

To finish in the top 8 and be serious in the cups, we need a decent striker and 2 proper centre backs not to mention some strength in depth.

We're not that far away.
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18 June 2015 00:27 Post ID: #459996 - in reply to #459949
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I don't know about that tnmw, we're a very small underpowered team. The definition of a soft touch.

Graham Carr wants stringing up for the money he spunked on Cabella. Would probably do well in many teams in Europe. He's simply too weak for football here. Same could be said for many of them though.

Also too many players with long standing injuries. Will Cisse or Tiote ever give a full season?

Then cunts like Sissoko, if he's in the mood he'll do well.

He wants to stay because if he gets to the France squad for the Euros he could potentially get a huge move off back of that. Is it enough motivation to play well this year though.

It's huge a whole heap of multiple problems with our squad which amount to a shit heap during a season.

5 players are needed. A striker, a left back, a central defender, an enforcer in midfield, I would say a playmaker but assume De Jong will take up that role so a forward/winger is also required.

That only just about covers the positions we lost. We need those 5 at a minimum...
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18 June 2015 00:39 Post ID: #459997 - in reply to #459949
Once McClaren gets his hands on our squad with his eventual new backroom staff, it'll all be about trying to unPardew the ones that have been Pardewed.

In that I include Sissoko, Tiote and Cisse if he stays.

The positions that need filled are visible to the blind but a new set up here could boost many players or give them a lease of life that we thought had gone. For the likes of Williamson though, he's got no hope.

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18 June 2015 00:42 Post ID: #459998 - in reply to #459949
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THEY NEED SHOT OF THE KEEPER COACH AS KRUL HAS BEEN GARBAGE
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18 June 2015 00:42 Post ID: #459999 - in reply to #459949
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Caps lock.
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18 June 2015 06:58 Post ID: #460000 - in reply to #459989
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Toon_NoMatterWot - 17/6/2015 22:50

Our squad is nowhere near as bad as the bumbling Pardew and co had them set up.

As it stands and with no extra additions, we'd finish around mid table.

To finish in the top 8 and be serious in the cups, we need a decent striker and 2 proper centre backs not to mention some strength in depth.

We're not that far away.


Totally disagree, with injuries and suspensions a certainty the squad is relegation fodder even with McClaren and his non existant staff.
Like the hierarchy you need to open your eyes to reality.
This club take ages to make decisions and they will lose out on targets and fall back on 2nd rate buys
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18 June 2015 07:37 Post ID: #460001 - in reply to #460000
The Owl - 18/6/2015 06:58

Toon_NoMatterWot - 17/6/2015 22:50

Our squad is nowhere near as bad as the bumbling Pardew and co had them set up.

As it stands and with no extra additions, we'd finish around mid table.

To finish in the top 8 and be serious in the cups, we need a decent striker and 2 proper centre backs not to mention some strength in depth.

We're not that far away.


Totally disagree, with injuries and suspensions a certainty the squad is relegation fodder even with McClaren and his non existant staff.
Like the hierarchy you need to open your eyes to reality.
This club take ages to make decisions and they will lose out on targets and fall back on 2nd rate buys


With only Jonas, Ryan Taylor and a couple of others that we have let go, a completely disillusioned and under strength Pardew and Carver led injury hit squad, still managed to stay up.

If we played the same squad in the same conditions under a different set up, we'd have more than likely gained a minimum of an extra 10 points and id summise a guess that we'd have had less 'injuries' as well.

Im in no way hinting that we dont need to buy because we need a minimum of 6 but you just know that this sort of thought will be crossing the regime's mind. Can we get extra out of what we already have?

In that case I can only see the lost causes and over the estimate 'bidded' players shipped out.
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18 June 2015 09:38 Post ID: #460003 - in reply to #459949
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Sorry TNMW i totally disagree, granted i have not watched the team in the flesh but from what i seen on tv and the net i think our squad is shit. Cisse is the only player who can put the ball in the net and he looked shot, Cabella is shit, Rivierre is total shit, Colo is shit, Tiote is missing in action, Perez is a bairn with a lot to learn, STaylor is dog shit and always injured. in summary part from Janmmatt, Krul, Sissoko and Cisse the rest of the squad are shit or too young to play a whole season.
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18 June 2015 10:28 Post ID: #460005 - in reply to #460003
Bruce68 - 18/6/2015 09:38

Sorry TNMW i totally disagree, granted i have not watched the team in the flesh but from what i seen on tv and the net i think our squad is shit. Cisse is the only player who can put the ball in the net and he looked shot, Cabella is shit, Rivierre is total shit, Colo is shit, Tiote is missing in action, Perez is a bairn with a lot to learn, STaylor is dog shit and always injured. in summary part from Janmmatt, Krul, Sissoko and Cisse the rest of the squad are shit or too young to play a whole season.


It's always good to have differing opinions but I see potential in a fair bit of what we have.

The main issue for me and probably for the majority of the squad was the previous tactics, which stifled a lot of of player's games as well as stopping their future development in it's tracks..

Continuing to use failed tactics in the hope that they come off, even once including the infamous Williamson back post slapstick routine is an example of what the squad has had to endure, nee wonder some of them will have privately given up.

Under McClaren, you'd expect a certain percentage more than previous seasons in effort alone.

We've a good keeper that needs a pick me up in Tim Krul with some highly rated understudies in Karl Darlow and young Woodman.

Defence wise, it's no secret that we're massively under strength and investment has to be made here.

Janmaat is the only certain starter for me with 2 centre backs and the left back slot up for grabs, although on saying that, there's massive potential in Haidara, Dummett, although not the quality that is needed to compete at the right end of the table is honest and versatile enough to be in or around the squad with Coloccini probably in need of a final season away from the captain's armband with a mission to silence his critics or pass on his experience to the unknown Jamaal Lascalles.

In midfield, we're a creative midfielder and a right winger away from being more than decent.

We'll have a fresh and fired up Tiote, maybe back to playing the game he did before Pardew had that word, Sissoko, if he's not sold, may have a vice-captains armband to spur himself on to more consistancy, Marveaux may be back and having a point to prove with the likes of Colback more than adequate to fill in, in a variety of roles.

Rolando Aarons will be another with points to prove or big money moves to earn.

Vurnon Anita is the one that has a big part to play in my opinion because he's been wasted so far under the old set up and I wouldn't be surprised if he was part of a midfield 3 with Tiote and one of Sissoko, the unlikely return of Cabaye or maybe Siem de Jong, although on saying that, we've plenty of option with Cabella able to play anywhere.

Up front is another weak area but Riviere is another that will get a clean slate with the pressure off to a degree, Perez is still one for the future or an impact sub from attacking midfield (which is his position) with Cisse more than able to be a 1 in 2 or 3 game striker.

If we get 2 defenders minimum, a right winger and 2 strikers then we'll end up at the right end of the table in my opinion.
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18 June 2015 11:27 Post ID: #460007 - in reply to #459949
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Speaking to my mate who is a Forest supporter and he said he wouldn't even have those two we loaned back to them playing for North Shields. Apparently half of Nottingham have been laughing at how much they've ripped us off.
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18 June 2015 22:08 Post ID: #460029 - in reply to #459949
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The other half haven't stopped laughing since Hugh signed Perch. Never mind, Perch still has the record as the only player who has been booked in each of his first 5 Prem games.
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19 June 2015 00:08 Post ID: #460031 - in reply to #459949
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Perch was actually ok compared to some plebs we've had over the years. Used very well a few seasons ago to shore things up when we were actually winning matches
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19 June 2015 00:14 Post ID: #460032 - in reply to #460031
Odin - 19/6/2015 00:08

Perch was actually ok compared to some plebs we've had over the years. Used very well a few seasons ago to shore things up when we were actually winning matches


Perch was utter shite until we played Chelsea and he was used in a defensive midfield slot after coming on as a sub, from then on in, he defied our piss takes with some performances worthy of the shirt.
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19 June 2015 00:47 Post ID: #460033 - in reply to #459949
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Agreed. And good luck to the lad.

Anyone remember Clarence Acuna? He was another who would always do a solid job when coming on..

Perhaps Anita is the one who fits that shoe of our current squad. I think with some protection around him he could still be a useful player for us?
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19 June 2015 00:53 Post ID: #460034 - in reply to #460033
Odin - 19/6/2015 00:47

Agreed. And good luck to the lad.

Anyone remember Clarence Acuna? He was another who would always do a solid job when coming on..

Perhaps Anita is the one who fits that shoe of our current squad. I think with some protection around him he could still be a useful player for us?


Ive always rated Anita. If he played for a Swansea type side, he'd be a star man.

He's always been under used here as the link man for an easy ball, if people know what I mean. A simple pass over 15 - 20 yards is made more simple by Anita being used as the guarantee that it'll get there thus rendering him pointless for the most part.

He's basically been used as a spare part when his game is about pass and move at pace.

Maybe under McClaren and his history in the Dutch game will see him get a more pivotal role.
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19 June 2015 01:34 Post ID: #460035 - in reply to #459949
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I was hoping that too. I think McClaren could end up being quite loyal to the likes of Tiote mind. Having had him at Twente.

It's a pickle to be honest.. some of the players are more than good enough to play for us. It's just there's no real balance in the squad. And apart from some players short comings, like being too weak for the league.. some of the others just don't compliment each other.

Sissoko for example has never really fit into any one position.. but do you shape a team around someone who will probably be off in a year?

I suspect one or two of them might have to go so that we can find that balance again.
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19 June 2015 07:34 Post ID: #460036 - in reply to #459949
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There will be no balance until we replace mediocr with quality and there are no signs of that happening.
As for Anita, not good enough for me.
They can't even get an assistant Manager or coaches. Should have been sorted by now. All this crap about meetings drawing up list after list and probably colouring them in with crayons meanwhile other clubs already in flow in the transfer market.
Charnley ably backed by Ashley is the problem, he could not negotiate a tea lady's salary.
Some false optimism on here. Needs action before any positive thought materialise.
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19 June 2015 07:45 Post ID: #460037 - in reply to #459949
As far as im aware, the coaches are pretty much chosen with Paul Simpson and Steve Black amongst them, although delaying the announcement just creates bother for fans that isn't needed.

Maybe the club aren't wanting to pay 'next year's' staff until July 1st, hence the delay.
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19 June 2015 09:38 Post ID: #460038 - in reply to #459949
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With two weeks to go to pre-season we should have the coaches in position planning their strategy for the new season not piss farting about trying to save a couple of weeks wages. That's the problem with having an accountant come tea boy as MD - `value for money' and `pound for pound' is all they think about.
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19 June 2015 09:42 Post ID: #460039 - in reply to #460037
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This current crop of players will get no where near the top half.

We've barely got a back 4 and with a couple of injuries we don't have the fall guys to drop in at left and right back like Jonas and Raylor. Williamson is a guaranteed starter FFS and Collo has his best days behind him.

I think there could be some improvement in midfield this season if De Jong and Aarons get more games and Sissoko and Cabella improve their games.

Up front is a shambles. Cisse had a decent goals to game ratio but he's dogshit at holding it up and bringing the rest of the team into play. Perez has looked decent in spells but still need to know what his best position is, can see he fucking off aboard.

If everyone stays fit we have a very average team which should do enough to stay up. They won't stay fit though, it's a NUFC curse.

Could do with selling some dead wood and replacing them plus at least 6 more. 10 new faces at the club wouldn't be a bad thing. Would take over £50million to do so expect 5-6 new players, probably £3-5m each from foreign shores and a couple of our big earners shipped out, Collo and Tiote spring to mind.
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19 June 2015 09:43 Post ID: #460040 - in reply to #459949
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Thats how they roll vin its all about the money and nothing else, anyone who believe that prepared statement by the fat cunt about "bolting the horse to the cart" is off their fucking heads, he can't even speak in plain English the fat fucking parasite.
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19 June 2015 12:58 Post ID: #460042 - in reply to #459949
My take on the squad purely on their footballing abilities :

Krul = probably going , decent keeper had a terrible season we need a good number 2 to push him .

Elliot = isn't that man , fat and shit .

Haidarra = Injury problems, struggles with consistency, on occasion looks great, a side looking to push on would have him as back up left back.

Colo= Legs gone , not been the same player he was, needs replacing.

Taylor = too injury prone , always looks to heavy, regressed as a player, needs replacing.

Janmaat = great going forward, a 2nd season should see him eradicate some of his previous defensive lapses . 1st choice Rb.

Dummett = not good enough at full back , has shown some ability at centre half, key season for him as to whether he can train on enough to be a steady squad player.

Colback = good squad player , versatile, gives 100%, in a top eight team I doubt he'd be a regular first team player.

Anita = could be a first team starter if he improves consistency under McClaren, needs to be stronger physically, decent passing range, tactics could be key to his career, may work well in a 3-5-2 or a 4-5-1, if it's a 4-4-2 forget it .

Sissoko = 1 decent game in 5 or 6 doesn't cut it with me . Got all the tools to be a fantastic box to box midfielder can't read the manual . McClaren needs him to shape up or cash in .

Gouffran = the Gouffran of 2yrs or so ago was a good addition to any squad the Gouffran of today isn't, needs a kick up the arse or replacing.

Tiote = another in the bring back the old player mode . The current one is never seen and on the few occasions he is looks awful . Needs replacing .

Obertan = why is he still here ?

Ameobi = stats make him a productive player, my eyes tell me different . 1st bus out of town .

De Jong = good player if fit, ever.

Aarons = great potential, pace and flair, needs a run in the side , hopefully his injury problems are growing pains and nothing that will hamper his development for much longer .

Riviere = next time someone mentions that Graham Carr is a wonderful scout just say his name . Get rid, one of the worst players I've seen in our colours.

Cabella = not cut out for the English game ? First seasonsitis ? Pardewed or Carvered ? Graham Carr only took his reading glasses to watch him in games ? Big season for Cabella and a big test for McClaren. Was considered one of France's most naturally gifted players. Looks lost here , I'd keep him for this season , over to you Steve.

Marveaux = looks a good creative force , good passer and game reader, can make chances should be ahead of Gouffran , Amoebi and Obertan . Like to see him given one last chance preferably in his preferred position. Certainly a squad player .

Perez = a lot was asked of him last season and the player never hid when having to carry the fight upfront far more than he should have. Boy's a bit special . Treat him well .

Cisse = gets goals , not a great player, will miss several chances and can be frustrating but in a team that's set up to suit I still think he'll score at least 15 a season. McClaren liked Darren Bent surely Cisse's a good fit for him .

Armstrong = needs games to develop now . We've been poor at bringing through our own youngsters for so long. McClaren has to change that .

Several other players (Abeid, Lascelles, Bigi, Darlow etc) either haven't played at all or for a while, future's too uncertain or could simply be classed as need to see what McClaren can do with them .

So by my reckoning in defence that's at least a decent number two keeper maybe a Krul replacement , a first choice left back, a back up right back, two first choice centre halves.

Midfield is a little more of a grey area certainly a quality Tiote replacement, a right sided midfielder/winger, and possibly a left sided one if Aarons or Marveaux can't cut it , and an attacking midfielder if Cabella, Sissoko Di Jong or Marveaux continue with their current problems/leave.

Upfront we need a replacement for Riviere (blind girl, with stick a bonus) and another 1st choice striker as bare minimum.

Being conservative you could say 7/8 players are needed or if your really wanted to have a very good squad about 12 are needed. Doesn't fill me with confidence.



Edited by keggy_keagal 19/6/2015 13:01
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19 June 2015 13:17 Post ID: #460044 - in reply to #459949
Good post Keggy.
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19 June 2015 17:45 Post ID: #460061 - in reply to #460044
Toon_NoMatterWot - 19/6/2015 13:17

Good post Keggy.


Thx Toony .
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