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How Good is Graham Carr
02 June 2015 07:59 Post ID: #459442
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With seemingly full responsibility for recruitment and a considerable say in the next Manager it begs the question how good is he really.
Some good acquisitions Perez and Janmaat to name but two but some duds and disappointments, Goufron, Rivière, Ferreya, Cabella and did he recruit Eliot, Obertan and Williamson or have a say in them arriving.
A few recruited with recurring injury problems, Cisse and De Jong and he presumably brought in the other De Jong.
Add the fact he is a bit of a dinosaur age wise and it makes you wonder. Have the hierarchy and media pumped him up because Charnley knows 5/8 this of zero about football and is merely the numbers man and former tea boy
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02 June 2015 08:17 Post ID: #459446 - in reply to #459442
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I think his record is quite good. Most of his recommendations we can't get over the line when we offer a tenth of what they're worth. So we end up getting his 4th and 5th choices in - per gouffran and rivière for example. He seems to be getting a day in the next manager for the simple reason is that he's the only one at the club who knows anything about football. Absolutely staggering.
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02 June 2015 08:41 Post ID: #459453 - in reply to #459442
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Would agree with all of that, as a club we are in a position where the "big names", wont touch us, so like the fat cunts shops, it is speculate to accumulate.

Sometimes they work spectacularly, sometimes they are duff, overall would say £££ we are in a better position. However if it is seen as a revenue stream, that becomes a problem, everybody knows we need 10 players at least, and no sales.

Those players should be all lined up now, a manager coach appointed this week, and get it done.

Unfortunately the , getting them over the line, comment is coming, I can see it 3 months away...
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02 June 2015 11:23 Post ID: #459457 - in reply to #459442
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Nothing special based on results
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02 June 2015 13:18 Post ID: #459462 - in reply to #459442
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Overated as anything, finds one good player for every ten bad ones, Cabaye, Janmatt, Ben Arfa etc were hardly unknown either when we bought them.
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02 June 2015 13:35 Post ID: #459463 - in reply to #459462
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A totally made up stat there Ben - unlike you. A clue for you in life: check the facts before you blurt out your ill formed opinions.

From the Owl's post: "Goufron, Rivière, Ferreya, Cabella and did he recruit Eliot, Obertan and Williamson or have a say in them arriving." Out of this lot, Gouffrran and Riviere cost peanuts and that was after Fatty bogged up the negotiations on his 1st, 2nd, 3rd, ... recommendations. There is only Cabella he had a hand in that cost much. The English lot, inc Obertan, were your hero Pardew's recruits Ben. Ferreira was a last minute panic loan deal.

Cabaye was a steal (under a contarct clause that Carr had found out about), Ben Arfa was a steal but mismanaged, Janmaat was about £5m (and we got change from the Debuchy sale £12m? - another one of his).

Cisse I think was one of Carr's - let's say the jury is still out on him but it's looking like a guilty. Santon, Marveaux, MBiwa were all Graham Carrs - all 3 of which were mismanaged then sold by your hero - 2 of whom were looking very comfortable in the Champions' League. Sissoko and Perez were also steals at £2m.

All of this, whilst working within Fatty's tight restraints - ie as soon as he finds someone, Fatty tells him to find someone cheaper.


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02 June 2015 14:20 Post ID: #459465 - in reply to #459442
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Aye all these unknown french and dutch internationals he has "found" must have took some doing like.
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02 June 2015 16:09 Post ID: #459467 - in reply to #459442
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Haha nobody said he had 'found' them you muppet. ignore the points raised - always the mark of a great debater. You knew all about the contractual clauses of messrs cabaye and Ben arfa didn't you.

Edited by ManxMag 2/6/2015 16:09
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02 June 2015 16:40 Post ID: #459470 - in reply to #459442
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It is not what they cost it's the fact they occupy a place in the allowed squad.
Not real quality many of them and even if they start as promising under this clubs coaching they soon go downhill.
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02 June 2015 17:45 Post ID: #459471 - in reply to #459442
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He's brought in a few gems and quite a few more duds. However, it can't be easy working within his limited budget. He's certainly not as good as most people think he is.
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02 June 2015 18:56 Post ID: #459476 - in reply to #459442
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It is what they cost Owl because that's the remit he's given. So the only way he can be judged is under those constraints. You can't compare his recruits with say, Chelsea's because he has to do it on the cheap. A better comparison would be Darlington or Tranmere or someone.

Postscript: it seems like he's had the final nod on mcclaren and not vieira. Seems like his ambitions match his master's. While he can judge a player, he cannot obviously judge a manager. What a cock.
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02 June 2015 19:27 Post ID: #459478 - in reply to #459442
It depends what you define "good" as being . If it's players that you can consistently maximize profit upon I'd say he's been a success . I'd define good as players that have been consistent for the team and improved it in which case he's been less of a success. Some of that is down to the coaching of Pardew or Carver and some of that is due to what I'd call gamble signings (players like Marveaux or Ba or Santon who we signed with a history of significant injury problems). Mbiwa was a player I thought had real promise and at times looked great though was treated appallingly by Pardew.
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